Branch Filing Grievance

[RIJetFan]

Sorry if already posted. WEEI just stated that Branch's agent is filing a grievance based on Pats refusal to let him go to Jets. Nothing else yet.

[Jets1958]

on what grounds? Isn't he under contract through the year?

[Thinker]

were you thinking the Pats would let him come here?

[FF2®]

on what grounds? Isn't he under contract through the year?

on the grounds that his agent needs to look like hes doing somenting :P

[RIJetFan]

From another thread:

http://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/56907/detail.html

[kelly]

Sources: Branch files grievance against Pats
By Tom Curran / NBCSports.com

New England Patriots holdout wide receiver Deion Branch and his agent, Jason Chayut, have filed a grievance against the team with the NFLPA, sources tell NBCSports.com. They are asking a special master to hear the grievance in an emergency meeting today.The Patriots gave Branch until 4 p.m. today to negotiate a contract suitable to he and his New York-based agent. Although the Seattle Seahawks talked numbers with Chayut, the New York Jets wound up being the only team to talk to New England about what its contract demands would be.

The Jets offer, the source said, was for six years and $36 million but it had a “funky structure.”Chayut is alleging that there was a verbal agreement between he and the Patriots that New England would deal Branch if presented with a “fair and reasonable” offer.Chayut alleges that the Jets presented New England with that offer but that the Patriots didn’t act on it.

A “special master” is an arbitrator that works for both the NFL and the NFLPA. He rules on whether or not grieved issues are in violation of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.In this case, the definition of “fair and reasonable” is so subjective, there’s little chance any ruling would go to Branch.It’s not known what the Jets offered or New England would have demanded.

Branch, 26, signed a five-year deal in 2002 after being selected with the 65th overall pick. He quickly emerged as the team’s best receiver and won the MVP award for Super Bowl XXXIX. He’s on the books to make $1.045 million this season, a figure far less than what comparable players at his position make. The Patriots have made him two contract extension offers -- one for five years and one for three years. The three-year offer made in May was to pay Branch a $4 million bonus this season, a $4 million guaranteed option bonus next September and salaries of $1.4, $4.3 and $4.75 million. That averages out to more than $6 million per year over the life of the deal and makes Branch a free agent at the prime earning age of 29.

But Chayut and Branch believe Branch should have already had his freedom. Chayut alleges the team originally was going to give Branch a four-year deal in 2002 but decided it wanted him on a five-year deal after watching him work out at the rookie minicamp. As a result of that, Chayut divides all extension offers the Patriots make to Branch by an additional year. So he views the three-year extension as a four-year offer and feels the offer is actually for less than $5 million per year. With Chayut pining for a contract like the one the Colts gave to free agent Reggie Wayne (6 years, $40 million with a $13.5 million bonus), his math says Branch is getting a below-market deal.

The Patriots are able to fine him up to $14,000 per day dating to July 27. The tab as of today is $518,000.If Branch doesn’t report by the 10th week of the NFL season (by which time he could have rolled up $1.512 million in AWOL fines), he won’t get credit for the 2006 season and will still have a year left on his deal.

[Jets1958]

Sources: Branch files grievance against Pats
By Tom Curran / NBCSports.com


The Jets offer, the source said, was for six years and $36 million but it had a “funky structure.”Chayut is alleging that there was a verbal agreement between he and the Patriots that New England would deal Branch if presented with a “fair and reasonable” offer.Chayut alleges that the Jets presented New England with that offer but that the Patriots didn’t act on it.

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Funky structure? What?

[mdav 28]

Sources: Branch files grievance against Pats
By Tom Curran / NBCSports.com

New England Patriots holdout wide receiver Deion Branch and his agent, Jason Chayut, have filed a grievance against the team with the NFLPA, sources tell NBCSports.com. They are asking a special master to hear the grievance in an emergency meeting today.The Patriots gave Branch until 4 p.m. today to negotiate a contract suitable to he and his New York-based agent. Although the Seattle Seahawks talked numbers with Chayut, the New York Jets wound up being the only team to talk to New England about what its contract demands would be.

The Jets offer, the source said, was for six years and $36 million but it had a “funky structure.”Chayut is alleging that there was a verbal agreement between he and the Patriots that New England would deal Branch if presented with a “fair and reasonable” offer.Chayut alleges that the Jets presented New England with that offer but that the Patriots didn’t act on it.

A “special master” is an arbitrator that works for both the NFL and the NFLPA. He rules on whether or not grieved issues are in violation of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.In this case, the definition of “fair and reasonable” is so subjective, there’s little chance any ruling would go to Branch.It’s not known what the Jets offered or New England would have demanded.

Branch, 26, signed a five-year deal in 2002 after being selected with the 65th overall pick. He quickly emerged as the team’s best receiver and won the MVP award for Super Bowl XXXIX. He’s on the books to make $1.045 million this season, a figure far less than what comparable players at his position make. The Patriots have made him two contract extension offers -- one for five years and one for three years. The three-year offer made in May was to pay Branch a $4 million bonus this season, a $4 million guaranteed option bonus next September and salaries of $1.4, $4.3 and $4.75 million. That averages out to more than $6 million per year over the life of the deal and makes Branch a free agent at the prime earning age of 29.

But Chayut and Branch believe Branch should have already had his freedom. Chayut alleges the team originally was going to give Branch a four-year deal in 2002 but decided it wanted him on a five-year deal after watching him work out at the rookie minicamp. As a result of that, Chayut divides all extension offers the Patriots make to Branch by an additional year. So he views the three-year extension as a four-year offer and feels the offer is actually for less than $5 million per year. With Chayut pining for a contract like the one the Colts gave to free agent Reggie Wayne (6 years, $40 million with a $13.5 million bonus), his math says Branch is getting a below-market deal.

The Patriots are able to fine him up to $14,000 per day dating to July 27. The tab as of today is $518,000.If Branch doesn’t report by the 10th week of the NFL season (by which time he could have rolled up $1.512 million in AWOL fines), he won’t get credit for the 2006 season and will still have a year left on his deal.


If the jets are goin to give him that kind of contract: 6 yrs/36 million/ 10-13mil signing bonus. They are crazy. I like branch, but come on. He's a good reciever, not great. With Coles, Cotchery, Mccariens, Smith, its not great but its not bad. When that pats had branch, givens, patten, brown, it was a good WR set, not a great one. I think its a waste to give him that much money plus a high draft choice. Just my two cents.

[jetstream23]

Funky structure...I love it. Mr. T has been cooking up something in the lab again!

[FF2®]

Funky structure...I love it. Mr. T has been cooking up something in the lab again!

Funky cold Medina?

[Patriot Power]

Merge !

[RIJetFan]

If the jets are goin to give him that kind of contract: 6 yrs/36 million/ 10-13mil signing bonus. They are crazy. I like branch, but come on. He's a good reciever, not great. With Coles, Cotchery, Mccariens, Smith, its not great but its not bad. When that pats had branch, givens, patten, brown, it was a good WR set, not a great one. I think its a waste to give him that much money plus a high draft choice. Just my two cents.

Doesn't look like it's going to matter as he's still under contract with the Pats and they have no obligation to accept a trade offer for less than they think he's worth. Knowing what we know now, it doesn't look like he has a leg to stand on.

[ozu]

on the grounds that his agent needs to look like hes doing somenting :PThis is actually the correct answer.

[jetstream23]

on the grounds that his agent needs to look like hes doing somenting :P

Agent has apparently gotten him a deal for 6 years and $36M from the Jets. He did a little somethin' I guess :dunno:

[FF2®]

Agent has apparently gotten him a deal for 6 years and $36M from the Jets. He did a little somethin' I guess :dunno:

Yeah look for him to be suiting up in green real soon... :zzz:

[PMCRW]

With Coles, Cotchery, Mccariens, Smith, its not great but its not bad. When that pats had branch, givens, patten, brown, it was a good WR set, not a great one. I think its a waste to give him that much money plus a high draft choice. Just my two cents.

Coles is not a threat. How many 1,000 yard seasons has he had, 2? You can't count on Cotchery and Smith until they prove themselves and i wont even get into JMac. face it we need talent on this team and Branch will add that threat that will allow our other receivers (Coles, Cotchery & Smith) to get open...

[jetstream23]

Yeah look for him to be suiting up in green real soon... :zzz:

Okay.

[gangGREENinsider]

Tannenbaum is a master capologist. He finds ways to give the player what he wants while making the contract cap friendly for the Jets. No surprise here that the Jets and Branch came to terms...

[FF2®]

Tannenbaum is a master capologist. He finds ways to give the player what he wants while making the contract cap friendly for the Jets. No surprise here that the Jets and Branch came to terms...

Yes quite an accomplishment. Tannenbaum wasted a few days on a contract that wes NEVER going to happen. BB is laughing his head off.

[Green Jets & Ham]

on the grounds that his agent needs to look like hes doing somenting :P
LOL!!!!!!!!

Very Good, FF :D

[BrooklynBound]

Yes quite an accomplishment. Tannenbaum wasted a few days on a contract that wes NEVER going to happen. BB is laughing his head off.

Yeah I'm sure BB is having a great old time since this whole ordeal isn't resolved yet, get real

[FF2®]

Yeah I'm sure BB is having a great old time since this whole ordeal isn't resolved yet, get real

In due time my friend. All part of the process.

[Timmy®]

Funky structure? What?



Bradway handled it. The word Branch was written over crossed out Johnny Mortons. There was a page missing too.

[Green Jets & Ham]

Funky cold Medina?
LOL!!

You Got me again :D

[RIJetFan]

Yes quite an accomplishment. Tannenbaum wasted a few days on a contract that wes NEVER going to happen. BB is laughing his head off.

Gimme a break. He's laughing that things have gotten this ugly with his best receiver? I think not.

[FF2®]

Gimme a break. He's laughing that things have gotten this ugly with his best receiver? I think not.

BB dont care about ugly.

[BrooklynBound]

In due time my friend. All part of the process.

maybe, maybe not... if I were the Pats, I'd play hardball too, but I'm not happy about it

[Green Jets & Ham]

In due time my friend. All part of the process.
RULE #1

Never underestimate "THE OTHER GUYS" Greed!! :D

[RIJetFan]

BB dont care about ugly.

maybe he should. I think he's starting to believe his own press. He's such a great coach that it doesn't matter who's playing for him.

[FF2®]

RULE #1

Never underestimate "THE OTHER GUYS" Greed!! :D

#2 Dont get high on your own supply???

[shasta]

Agent has apparently gotten him a deal for 6 years and $36M from the Jets. He did a little somethin' I guess :dunno:


And that would be great if Branch was a free Agent, he's not, and who cares how much money he got Branch if he can't get the Jets to give up the picks to make it happen? That's like me saying I've got a guy that will buy your house for ten times what it's worth, but in order for that to happen I also have to convince the guy to let you screw his wife too. :rolleyes:

[FF2®]

And that would be great if Branch was a free Agent, he's not, and who cares how much money he got Branch if he can't get the Jets to give up the picks to make it happen? That's like me saying I've got a guy that will buy your house for ten times what it's worth, but in order for that to happen I also have to convince the guy to let you screw his wife too. :rolleyes:

Only in Jetsville is it considered a red letter day when you DONT sign someone. LOL

[duitmawae]

Pats fans may be in denial...but this was a Win/Win for the Jets...either they would have gotten Branch on cap-friendly, i.e., "funky" terms (remember that Mr. T is a master capologist*)...or they would bid up his price for their rivals...or Branch would follow through on his threat to sit out the first ten games.

like I said, Win/Win

*recall, if you will, the "funky" offer he prepared for Curtis Martin to lure him away from NE.

[Green Jets & Ham]

Only in Jetsville is it considered a red letter day when you DONT sign someone. LOL
I think Jet fans are Giddy because we know the Jets caused MAJOR FRICTION between Branch and the Pats :yes:

Here's the evidence ... the man just filed a grievance against the Patriots :D

[FF2®]

I think Jet fans are Giddy because we know the Jets caused MAJOR FRICTION between Branch and the Pats

Right...a MAJOR victory in Jets land. Its those pesky "games" that are the problems.

[FF2®]

Here's the evidence ... the man filed a grivance against the Patriots :D

oooooooooh SCARY!!! :eek:

[jetstream23]

I think Jet fans are Giddy because we know the Jets caused MAJOR FRICTION between Branch and the Pats :yes:

Here's the evidence ... the man filed a grivance against the Patriots :D


Yeah and Brady is ticked because he's avoided major friction with Branch by using KY jelly! :eek:

[BrookBarringer]

Yeah and Brady is ticked because he's avoided major friction with Branch by using KY jelly! :eek:
aside from not being funny, this makes no sense

[BrookBarringer]

Right...a MAJOR victory in Jets land. Its those pesky "games" that are the problems.

agree. this will be nothing to smile about when the jets are 4-12 and the pats are in the playoffs....and branch will be good because he has no issues with the players areound him, him and brady will both be good.

[FF2®]

aside from not being funny, this makes no sense

Dont you know...

Brady + gay = automatic hilarity?

[Green Jets & Ham]

oooooooooh SCARY!!! :eek:
That's not the point, FF

The point is, the man now wants out of NE in the worse way ... now its a shotgun marriage ... Branch found someone who was willing to pay him more money, and like I said, never underestimate the other guys greed :D

Now if the Pats want to keep the player happy they'll have to cough up that 36 mil :yes:

[FF2®]

That's not the point, FF

The point is, the man now wants out of NE in the worse way ... now its a shotgun marriage ... Branch found someone who was willing to pay him more money, and like I said, never underestimate the other guys greed :D

Dude.....he;s got NO leverage but to sit his greedy ass until week 11. And if he's so greedy he will miss that $$$$.

[FF2®]

Now if the Pats want to keep the player happy they'll have to cough up that 36 mil :yes:

who says they want to keep him happy?

[duitmawae]

This was a win/win for the Jets no matter how much Pats fans are in denial...spoiled by competing in the past with Terry Bradway, they will find themselves increasingly annoyed by having to deal with Mike Tannenbaum...just remember that "funky" offer sheet he prepared to lure Curtis Martin away...of course, Pats fans will claim that they were better off without Curtis...hehe

[FF2®]

of course, Pats fans will claim that they were better off without Curtis...hehe

with Curtis = 0 Lombardies

without Curtis = 3 Lombardies

Hmmmmm...but the "Accumulator" had a nice little career in New Jersey.

[BrookBarringer]

of course, Pats fans will claim that they were better off without Curtis...hehe


well, they did win all those super bowls......

[Green Jets & Ham]

who says they want to keep him happy?
Oh now you're gonna tell me its no big deal to have a bigtime disgruntled employee? :rolleyes:

Common man, the guy has already filed a grievance against the Pats ... that's like suing your employer :D

That's how bad he wants out :eek:

[FF2®]

This was a win/win for the Jets no matter how much Pats fans are in denial...spoiled by competing in the past with Terry Bradway, they will find themselves increasingly annoyed by having to deal with Mike Tannenbaum...just remember that "funky" offer sheet he prepared to lure Curtis Martin away...of course, Pats fans will claim that they were better off without Curtis...hehe

what exactly did the Jets win?

[FF2®]

Oh now you're gonna tell me its no big deal to have a bigtime disgruntled employee? :rolleyes:

Common man, the guy has already filed a grievance against the Pats ... that's like suing your employer :D

That's how bad he wants out :eek:

Again...SO WHAT?

Guy had to report by week 11 all the while losing millions.

[BrookBarringer]

Oh now you're gonna tell me its no big deal to have a bigtime disgruntled employee? :rolleyes:

Common man, the guy has already filed a grievance against the Pats ... that's like suing your employer :D

That's how bad he wants out :eek:


Ok....this is not how you spell "come on"....this is a word, it exists, it's common, it means ordinary.

unless you are to suggest that this guy is the archetypal "common man" in 21st century america.

[Savage69]

with Curtis = 0 Lombardies

without Curtis = 3 Lombardies

Hmmmmm...but the "Accumulator" had a nice little career in New Jersey.

The Jets should have tried the 36 for 6 like they did for Martin but let the player void it after one year,no way the Pats match that!...Crap I forgot that's illegal now!! :P

[BrooklynBound]

Again...SO WHAT?

Guy had to report by week 11 all the while losing millions.

GET REAL

there's playing hardball and being happy to play hardball

the Pats FO is the former, not the latter

[Monsterxman]

Coles is not a threat. How many 1,000 yard seasons has he had, 2? You can't count on Cotchery and Smith until they prove themselves and i wont even get into JMac. face it we need talent on this team and Branch will add that threat that will allow our other receivers (Coles, Cotchery & Smith) to get open...

I like Branch, but how many 1000 yard seasons has he had?
Also put Coles on the Pats and his numbers would likely be pretty sick...

Also the Patriot's were asking too much... the Jets screwed them, so they tried to screw the Jets. Ultimately, it's good for the Jets as Branch will sit out this season and sign with them next year for no draft picks.

[The Crusher]

I think Jet fans are Giddy because we know the Jets caused MAJOR FRICTION between Branch and the Pats :yes:

Here's the evidence ... the man just filed a grievance against the Patriots :D



GJH thank you. Until you pointed that out I could hardly see anything good from this. Reminds me of the Ty Law thing. We get an overpaid piece of the Patriot puzzle and we still sucked.

[The Crusher]

with Curtis = 0 Lombardies

without Curtis = 3 Lombardies

Hmmmmm...but the "Accumulator" had a nice little career in New Jersey.



Could they make it Any easier for you.

[FloridaJet]

Merge !

"I hereby resign as HC of the NYJ"
The 2006-2007 New England Patriots : "NFA"

http://www.comicspage.com/dicktracy/villains/v-mumbles.gif

[Green Jets & Ham]

GJH thank you. Until you pointed that out I could hardly see anything good from this
ABSOLUTELY

There's no disgruntled employee like a disgruntled employee who "knows" what he's worth on the open market, knows exactly how much money he can make, but is asked to leave "millions" on the table

That will make a player downright postal :steamin:

So the Pats either take a much bigger cap hit than they had in mind, or they are officially at war with Deon Branch

And we can really enjoy watching this drama unfold, knowing we played some part in instigating the animosity :D

[Savage69]

I like Branch, but how many 1000 yard seasons has he had?
Also put Coles on the Pats and his numbers would likely be pretty sick...

Also the Patriot's were asking too much... the Jets screwed them, so they tried to screw the Jets. Ultimately, it's good for the Jets as Branch will sit out this season and sign with them next year for no draft picks.
Here's some interesting stats on wide outs..As much as most loved Coles and hated Moss..Coles has started 83 Games and has had 2 1000+ seasons a 1264 in 02 as a Jet and 1204 as a skin in 03! In his career he has 25 TD's and never a double digit year in td's..Moss has started 45 games in his career and has 2 1000+ seasons 1105 as a Jet and 1483 as a Skin! In his career he has scored 28 td's...Considering Moss started in 38 less games who is the more productive W/R??? Still hate sideline Santana??? :eek:

[scrizzy]

Chayut must be the dumbest agent I've ever heard of. The Postons may get accused of asking for too much and making up offers a la Boras, but this guy seemingly as no idea how the entire system works. He really seems to be following the TO script, make himself enough of a nusence that the Pats just let Branch go.

However, Branch ain't TO for one, and he's dealing with the Pats for another. I just don't see this ending well for Deion and it's too bad because I like him as a player.

[shuler82]

Right...a MAJOR victory in Jets land. Its those pesky "games" that are the problems.


and if the situation was reversed, and say the pats offered coles the contract, we'd have shasta wetting his panties about how almighty BB pulled one over on a lost rookie coach and his clueless GM..

the patsies move backfired.

is it a huge 'jets victory'? i dont think you can call it that..

but the patsies arent in a good place right now - yeah, they hold the cards with branch and this year's contract.. but you've got an even more unhappy #1 WR now, someone who is now all but out the door in 2007. hope that chad jackson pick works out for you guys.

[Sharrow]

They're saying that there was a verbal agreement with the Pats that if he found someone to trade him to, that they would trade him if properly compensated. He and his agent apparantly feel that the Jets' offer whatever it was would be considered proper compensation in a trade. Smart of him to want out now, why waste another year in a sinking ship. Pats dynasty is over.

[Freeman24]

Yes quite an accomplishment. Tannenbaum wasted a few days on a contract that wes NEVER going to happen. BB is laughing his head off.

And the Patriots further pissed off there number one receiver. I think this was a dumb move for the Pats. And the writers for the Boston globe agree. If they didn't want to trade him they should not have told him to look for a trade. Now Branch knows what he is worth on the open market compared to the 30% that the Pats were offering him. I am sure it also shows the rest of the Pat players that their front office low balls them. Now Pioli has to waste time at a grievence hearing. LOL

This has made a bad situation worse. Pats should have never let him seek a trade. Now Branch is dug in. :yes:

[FlashGordon]

with Curtis = 0 Lombardies

without Curtis = 3 Lombardies

Hmmmmm...but the "Accumulator" had a nice little career in New Jersey.

Well...yeah that makes perfect sense. Because you never would have won with Curtis. And you're right, football is not a team sport. So your point is completely valid. And most of all, logical.

Excellent point "FoxboroFanatic2". [INSERT SARCASTIC SMIRK HERE]

What scares me is that the "2" on the end of your handle implies that this is either the second version of you or there are more of you...

And by the way, wouldn't it be - "Lombardis"...I know when the Mangini family gets together they're not collectively known as "Manginies".

Lombardi TrophIES would be more appropriate.

Please stay out of the gene pool. And no diving.

[CTM]

This was a win/win for the Jets no matter how much Pats fans are in denial...spoiled by competing in the past with Terry Bradway, they will find themselves increasingly annoyed by having to deal with Mike Tannenbaum...just remember that "funky" offer sheet he prepared to lure Curtis Martin away...of course, Pats fans will claim that they were better off without Curtis...hehe
Bad move there, haven't looked down yet but I'm sure others have already called you out on this...

[SMC]

I posted earlier the possibility that offering Branch a contract was just a ploy by the team to make things worse for the Pats. It was just a guess, but I'm not alone on this. This is from PFT:

"But we're now told that the Jets don't genuinely expect to land Branch from a division rival, and that they jumped into the fray primarily as a favor to Branch's agent, Jason Chayut, and in order to make it harder for the Patriots to ultimately keep Branch."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[SoFlaJets]

I posted earlier the possibility that offering Branch a contract was just a ploy by the team to make things worse for the Pats. It was just a guess, but I'm not alone on this. This is from PFT:

"But we're now told that the Jets don't genuinely expect to land Branch from a division rival, and that they jumped into the fray primarily as a favor to Branch's agent, Jason Chayut, and in order to make it harder for the Patriots to ultimately keep Branch."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

my exact thought SMC and the word I also used=ploy-smart move too IMO

[Green Jets & Ham]

"But we're now told that the Jets don't genuinely expect to land Branch from a division rival, and that they jumped into the fray primarily as a favor to Branch's agent, Jason Chayut, and in order to make it harder for the Patriots to ultimately keep Branch."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
TANGINI <===== :respekt:

[Rock48nj]

"But we're now told that the Jets don't genuinely expect to land Branch from a division rival, and that they jumped into the fray primarily as a favor to Branch's agent, Jason Chayut, and in order to make it harder for the Patriots to ultimately keep Branch."[/SIZE][/I]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

First off...The Pats fans pretending they are happy with their current receiving core sans Branch are kidding themselves.

Jason Chayut is one of the principal agents from the Sportstars camp which inked deals with 6 players in the first 3 rounds. All were signed pretty quickly. Im sure as an agency they know what they are doing, he is not some fly by night cousin acting as an agent. On a personal level, dude is a good guy and represents the Jets own (and this boards second favorite target) Bryan Thomas so obviously he has a relationship with Tannebaum.

I imagine this grievance may have some weight...personally I bet the deal is structured as such that it would not be cap crippling and I think Branch would be a nice add to our wrs.

[Tailgater]

Jason Chayut is one of the principal agents from the Sportstars camp which inked deals with 6 players in the first 3 rounds. All were signed pretty quickly. Im sure as an agency they know what they are doing, he is not some fly by night cousin acting as an agent. On a personal level, dude is a good guy and represents the Jets own (and this boards second favorite target) Bryan Thomas so obviously he has a relationship with Tannebaum.

I imagine this grievance may have some weight...personally I bet the deal is structured as such that it would not be cap crippling and I think Branch would be a nice add to our wrs.

Oh, yeah, this guy is a top-notch agent all right. :rolleyes:

From the article earlier in the thread:

"Chayut alleges the team originally was going to give Branch a four-year deal in 2002 but decided it wanted him on a five-year deal after watching him work out at the rookie minicamp. As a result of that, Chayut divides all extension offers the Patriots make to Branch by an additional year. So he views the three-year extension as a four-year offer and feels the offer is actually for less than $5 million per year."

I guess the Pats called Branch or his agent the day of the draft and said they were going to sign him to a 4yr deal? They must have, since rookie mini-camp was held right after the draft!

So now he's holding his breath until he turns blue until the Pats acknowledge that Deion is actually a FA? Great negotiating tactics there. Much better than, say, A COUNTER-OFFER?!

The idiot is going to cost Branch a lot of money, money he may get back in the next 2-3 years, if he's lucky enough to stay healthy 2 yrs in a row.


Edit I forgot to mention - I for one am NOT happy with the Pats WR situation.

[gmogmo]

This was a win/win for the Jets no matter how much Pats fans are in denial...spoiled by competing in the past with Terry Bradway, they will find themselves increasingly annoyed by having to deal with Mike Tannenbaum...just remember that "funky" offer sheet he prepared to lure Curtis Martin away...of course, Pats fans will claim that they were better off without Curtis...hehe

3 SB's in 4 years....yeah, I was pretty happy with that.

[TerrapinJet]

Even if we dont get him, cuasing problems with the Pats! SWEEEET!

[PatsFanTX]

And the Patriots further pissed off there number one receiver.

Dude, you have it @ss-backwards.

The Pats have all the leverage here, not Branch. :yes:

[scrizzy]

Let me add Mangini to the list of morons in this deal. Why would you take a great resource like Belichick, who has contacts all over the NFL and college football and try to f him over for no reason? It makes zero sense unless it was to give boners to people on here about how smart they are.

Either Mangini was trying to screw his old boss or he was arrogant enough to think he could low-ball him on compensation. Either way, he looks like a prick at best and an idiot at worst.

[BrooklynBound]

Let me add Mangini to the list of morons in this deal. Why would you take a great resource like Belichick, who has contacts all over the NFL and college football and try to f him over for no reason? It makes zero sense unless it was to give boners to people on here about how smart they are.

Either Mangini was trying to screw his old boss or he was arrogant enough to think he could low-ball him on compensation. Either way, he looks like a prick at best and an idiot at worst.

Tannenbaum is the GM.

[Bleedin' Green]

Let me add Mangini to the list of morons in this deal. Why would you take a great resource like Belichick, who has contacts all over the NFL and college football and try to f him over for no reason? It makes zero sense unless it was to give boners to people on here about how smart they are.

Either Mangini was trying to screw his old boss or he was arrogant enough to think he could low-ball him on compensation. Either way, he looks like a prick at best and an idiot at worst.
Oh yeah, because we know Belichick certainly would've helped Mangini with all of his "great resources" given that Mangini is HC of a division rival. He just helped make the in-house matters worse for one of the Jets biggest rivals, doesn't sound like such a bad deal to me. Plus, they also tried to upgrade their WR corps, despite the fact that they knew it was unlikely to go down.

I think this thread has made it clear who the real pricks and/or idiots are.

[patman]

That's not the point, FF

The point is, the man now wants out of NE in the worse way ... now its a shotgun marriage ... Branch found someone who was willing to pay him more money, and like I said, never underestimate the other guys greed :D

Now if the Pats want to keep the player happy they'll have to cough up that 36 mil :yes:

no they will tag him for 6mill next year and not worry if he gets injured.

He already has to play the last 7 games this year for free plus pay 500,000 in fines. I am not worried about it one bit.

[mmckiernan]

What a woman

[Freeman24]

Dude, you have it @ss-backwards.

The Pats have all the leverage here, not Branch. :yes:

Your right the Pats have the leverage, unless Branch continues to holdout. According to Espn:

People close to Branch insist he will not crack and will report to the Patriots for only the final six games of the season, enough to earn an accrued year toward the pension, and to qualify him for unrestricted free agency next spring.

[FloridaJet]

Let me add Mangini to the list of morons in this deal. Why would you take a great resource like Belichick, who has contacts all over the NFL and college football and try to f him over for no reason? It makes zero sense unless it was to give boners to people on here about how smart they are.

Either Mangini was trying to screw his old boss or he was arrogant enough to think he could low-ball him on compensation. Either way, he looks like a prick at best and an idiot at worst.

http://www.johnson-lift.com/draft2/images/goofy_guy.gif


dee dee dee

[Brain Hemorrhage]

First off...The Pats fans pretending they are happy with their current receiving core sans Branch are kidding themselves.

Jason Chayut is one of the principal agents from the Sportstars camp which inked deals with 6 players in the first 3 rounds. All were signed pretty quickly. Im sure as an agency they know what they are doing, he is not some fly by night cousin acting as an agent. On a personal level, dude is a good guy and represents the Jets own (and this boards second favorite target) Bryan Thomas so obviously he has a relationship with Tannebaum.

I imagine this grievance may have some weight...personally I bet the deal is structured as such that it would not be cap crippling and I think Branch would be a nice add to our wrs.

I've heard Jason Chayut speak several times before and he's definitely a smart guy who listens to what his players need and councils them well.

[scrizzy]

First off...The Pats fans pretending they are happy with their current receiving core sans Branch are kidding themselves.

Jason Chayut is one of the principal agents from the Sportstars camp which inked deals with 6 players in the first 3 rounds. All were signed pretty quickly. Im sure as an agency they know what they are doing, he is not some fly by night cousin acting as an agent. On a personal level, dude is a good guy and represents the Jets own (and this boards second favorite target) Bryan Thomas so obviously he has a relationship with Tannebaum.

I imagine this grievance may have some weight...personally I bet the deal is structured as such that it would not be cap crippling and I think Branch would be a nice add to our wrs.


name me one person who's said that they are happy with the wr situation? This grievance has zero weight. The CBA says that he's under contract, hence the Pats don't have to trade him any way you slice it. Face it, Chayut tried a replay of Seymour last year, forgetting that he isn't representing one of the best d-lineman in the league but a good number one receiver who should have played out his rookie contract.

[PatsFanTX]

Your right the Pats have the leverage, unless Branch continues to holdout. According to Espn:

People close to Branch insist he will not crack and will report to the Patriots for only the final six games of the season, enough to earn an accrued year toward the pension, and to qualify him for unrestricted free agency next spring.

And then BB would franchise his greedy @ss.

[John_0515]

And then BB would franchise his greedy @ss.

Tx, is NE fining Branch the $14,000/day? that would be about$450K up to this point (from the day training camp started, right?)

[PatsFanTX]

Tx, is NE fining Branch the $14,000/day? that would be about$450K up to this point (from the day training camp started, right?)

Yes they are.

But I'm sure if Branch resigned with the Pats, that money would be waived as part of the deal.

[John_0515]

Yes they are.

But I'm sure if Branch resigned with the Pats, that money would be waived as part of the deal.

what an idiot. he could have gone from 1 million to 4 million, but he was greedy.

haha. holding out backfired.

[crazyjetfan2003]

Dude.....he;s got NO leverage but to sit his greedy ass until week 11. And if he's so greedy he will miss that $$$$.

He has all the leverage......

Shows up after game 10, and is a free agent next year.

And dont give me the crap that the Pats will franchise him.

BTW, who are your starting WR on opening day

[PYPER]

He has all the leverage......

Shows up after game 10, and is a free agent next year.

And dont give me the crap that the Pats will franchise him.

BTW, who are your starting WR on opening day


Of course they would franchise him. The tender would only be $6M which is in line with what they've already offered him. Plus it would allow them to trade him. Just like the Jets did with Abraham.

If they don't franchise him, he walks out the door and they get nothing in return. It's a no brainer if there ever was one.

Branch has no leverage in this.

[crazyjetfan2003]

Of course they would franchise him. The tender would only be $6M which is in line with what they've already offered him. Plus it would allow them to trade him. Just like the Jets did with Abraham.

If they don't franchise him, he walks out the door and they get nothing in return. It's a no brainer if there ever was one.

Branch has no leverage in this.

You are insane....

What team would trade for Branch without getting him to sign a long-term contract.

Branch is a product of Tom Brady, period end of story.

What you guys continue to be silent is who is going to be your opening day WR'S.

And don't insult me with this BS about your 3 TE sets.

With no deep threat the field will shrink, and inexperienced and mediocre WR will make mistakes. For the Pats to have success this year the offense must be productive.

Your defense has huge secondary and LB problems.

You better start praying to the football gods that Branch returns now

[The Infamous One]

Branch is a product of Tom Brady, period end of story.



Bullsh*t.

[Tailgater]

You are insane....

What team would trade for Branch without getting him to sign a long-term contract.

Branch is a product of Tom Brady, period end of story.

What you guys continue to be silent is who is going to be your opening day WR'S.

And don't insult me with this BS about your 3 TE sets.

With no deep threat the field will shrink, and inexperienced and mediocre WR will make mistakes. For the Pats to have success this year the offense must be productive.

Your defense has huge secondary and LB problems.

You better start praying to the football gods that Branch returns now

Currently? Caldwell, Brown, Childress. Fearsome indeed!

Tomorrow? Who knows? Could be any number of guys depending on what happens in the next 3-4 days. If the deal with Seattle goes thru, I think Engram might be part of the deal, so I'd expect him to replace Childress, and Chad Jackson has to show up sometime....right?

This whole thing really got started when the Pats refused to remove the possibility of using the franchise tag next year, so why is that insane? The Pats offered him top five (franchise) money already.

Jets and Seahawks already reached agreements i just a few days on long term agreements. Why will that change next season?

[MiamiJet]

Of course they would franchise him. The tender would only be $6M which is in line with what they've already offered him. Plus it would allow them to trade him. Just like the Jets did with Abraham.

If they don't franchise him, he walks out the door and they get nothing in return. It's a no brainer if there ever was one.

Branch has no leverage in this.

He has NO leverage in this?

So, let me get this straight. Branch could pull an Adewalye Ogunleye(sp?) and hold out for ten weeks BEFORE he has to report, and still can get enough consideration for a full year, yet New England all the leverage?

You are a ****ing clown. Stop speaking out of your ass. How does the organization get full leveage getting six weeks + out of a player, while having to franchise him?

Sure, go ahead and bs us with thec ap ramifications and bonus stuff. None of us will bite. Meanwhile, I will be more than happy to do this dance with you.

Yes, I'm sure, you will reach and go and find every Internet article or all the stats you will find. The bottom line is that the Jets or history is on the side of the player. If Branch is willing to go the long haul, he will win. He will either get his contract, or get franchised, which will give him the average of the top five salaries of his position. The Pats could do this, but will they do it again next year, and the following years?

Miami tried to do this with Ogunleye and lost. He played them into a trade with Chicago, for Booker and a 4th round pick, I believe(maybe a 3rdat best, but I'm sure it was a 4th).

[patman]

He has NO leverage in this?

So, let me get this straight. Branch could pull an Adewalye Ogunleye(sp?) and hold out for ten weeks BEFORE he has to report, and still can get enough consideration for a full year, yet New England all the leverage?

You are a ****ing clown. Stop speaking out of your ass. How does the organization get full leveage getting six weeks + out of a player, while having to franchise him?

Sure, go ahead and bs us with thec ap ramifications and bonus stuff. None of us will bite. Meanwhile, I will be more than happy to do this dance with you.

Yes, I'm sure, you will reach and go and find every Internet article or all the stats you will find. The bottom line is that the Jets or history is on the side of the player. If Branch is willing to go the long haul, he will win. He will either get his contract, or get franchised, which will give him the average of the top five salaries of his position. The Pats could do this, but will they do it again next year, and the following years?

Miami tried to do this with Ogunleye and lost. He played them into a trade with Chicago, for Booker and a 4th round pick, I believe(maybe a 3rdat best, but I'm sure it was a 4th).

And galloway held out to week ten and seahawks got two #1s for him. Branch now has to play the last 7 games for free and he will br franshised next year. This is what he did not want to happpen and it it what has transpired. So what has he accomplished for himself, he lost 1 mill in salry this year.

[MiamiJet]

And galloway held out to week ten and seahawks got two #1s for him. Branch now has to play the last 7 games for free and he will br franshised next year. This is what he did not want to happpen and it it what has transpired. So what has he accomplished for himself, he lost 1 mill in salry this year.


I apologize. I should not have come across so harsh.

True, he will lose out on money, but I think it's the long term that he's concerned about. Ogunleye did the same and was able to get a nice sized signing bonus and a long term deal. That he basically cost himself a paycheck for several weeks was worth the sacrifice.

No one will give up 2 #1 for Branch, or any other receiver, for that matter. The compensation is too great. It won't happen.

New England very well could franchise him. He loses out by not having a signing bonus, but I believe he could hold out, ala Orlando Pace and Walter Jones, until he signs the tender.

The same old dance would be played out again, until New England either gives up the franchise label or Branch gives in. This will get very ugly.

[samwise]

He has NO leverage in this?

So, let me get this straight. Branch could pull an Adewalye Ogunleye(sp?) and hold out for ten weeks BEFORE he has to report, and still can get enough consideration for a full year, yet New England all the leverage?

You are a ****ing clown. Stop speaking out of your ass. How does the organization get full leveage getting six weeks + out of a player, while having to franchise him?

.


the chowds are reaching ! its going to be so sweet watching them squirm this year.

[PatsFanTX]

I apologize. I should not have come across so harsh.

True, he will lose out on money, but I think it's the long term that he's concerned about. Ogunleye did the same and was able to get a nice sized signing bonus and a long term deal. That he basically cost himself a paycheck for several weeks was worth the sacrifice.

No one will give up 2 #1 for Branch, or any other receiver, for that matter. The compensation is too great. It won't happen.

New England very well could franchise him. He loses out by not having a signing bonus, but I believe he could hold out, ala Orlando Pace and Walter Jones, until he signs the tender.

The same old dance would be played out again, until New England either gives up the franchise label or Branch gives in. This will get very ugly.

Excellent post Miami. :yes:

You are dead on with your last sentence.

[patman]

I apologize. I should not have come across so harsh.

True, he will lose out on money, but I think it's the long term that he's concerned about. Ogunleye did the same and was able to get a nice sized signing bonus and a long term deal. That he basically cost himself a paycheck for several weeks was worth the sacrifice.

No one will give up 2 #1 for Branch, or any other receiver, for that matter. The compensation is too great. It won't happen.

New England very well could franchise him. He loses out by not having a signing bonus, but I believe he could hold out, ala Orlando Pace and Walter Jones, until he signs the tender.

The same old dance would be played out again, until New England either gives up the franchise label or Branch gives in. This will get very ugly.

no doubt, Branch wuld not report under the franschis tag until after Traing camp but like pace and Jones he would be there I wek before the start of the first game or he would start losing game checks.

[SoFlaJets]

[QUOTE=MiamiJet]I apologize. I should not have come across so harsh.

why apologize MJ?-Jets fans have to always go and cite stats to refute the ridiculous claims of the Pats fans and if you read above they rarely answer with facts of their own-you're right-they ARE hurting now and I wonder how many of them will be around when the drought continues this year....it'll be "yea but we won 3 outta 4" then it's 3 outta 5 this year it'll be 3 outta 6...it's all history-just like their reign and I couldn't be happier-maybe they'll finally go the EFF away

[samwise]

do the chowds really think branch will show up this week, smack brady on the butt and muss belichicks hair and say, " well, I tried, now let's go win some games !"


they are delusional. :yes: :yes:

[MiamiJet]

no doubt, Branch wuld not report under the franschis tag until after Traing camp but like pace and Jones he would be there I wek before the start of the first game or he would start losing game checks.

Yes, Pat. The questions are, will Branch hold out until Week 10, and if so, will New England franchise him next year?

Do you feel that New England believes Branch to be a top notch wide receiver? If so, why would they let him seek out a trade on his own?

Were they under the assumption that Branch would NOT find a comparable deal to the one he was seeking from them?

I'll tell you where I'm going with this. It could be that New England thought highly of Branch, but also believed that his demands would be too high on the open market, and would not have been able to get a deal similar to what he was seeking. This, imho, backfired, with NY and Seattle both being highly interested, making contract offers that he agreed too. New England miscalculated, and now Branch has set a higher market value than what New England was ready to pay.

Their saving grace, however, is the fact that Branch is still under contract, and New England would have to agree on the compensation.

I'm curious as to where this will lead. Branch could show up, complete his year, and bolt after next season, unless New England franchises him. If he feels this is a strong possibility, then maybe he decides to holdout until week 10, losing salary, with the hope that he forces a trade. Again, New England could franchise him next year, but he ends up getting the salary he wants, while avoiding training camp, etc until he signs.

This has it's pluses and minuses. Branch would miss out on the big signing bonus he covets, while New England runs the risk of having a player head into the season in poor shape or rusty. They would also have to shell out money that is more than what he asked for and could also run the risk of losing his services for 10 games this season.

Good luck.

[RMJK]

I would rate Branch as slightly better than Coles. Brady can make any WR look good. If we get Branch it would have an immediate impact on the Offense. I think he is worth fighting for because he could be the difference between playoffs and not.

[chad101]

And then BB would franchise his greedy @ss.

How does a franchised WR get paid? Top 10, top 5 WR money?

If so, not sure what the Pats gain in franchising him.

[samwise]

this video is a good example of the panties right now

everything is going fine

and then a little hiccup


and wham !


http://www.break.com/index/biker_hits_brick_wall.html

[MiamiJet]

I would rate Branch as slightly better than Coles. Brady can make any WR look good. If we get Branch it would have an immediate impact on the Offense. I think he is worth fighting for because he could be the difference between playoffs and not.

My feeling is that they know that Branch is a stud, but they put themselves in a bad situation by allowing Branch to seek out his own deal. I think they underestimated the fact that other teams might be willing to give Branch so high a salary, even though his stats may not indicate that he is a top wideout.

This move has only reinforced Branch's belief that he is deserving of his salary demands, and has placed New England into possibly franchising him. Would this have been the case had they not allowed Branch to seek out his own deal? Maybe, maybe not. I think New England could have found out what teams were willing to part with in terms of compensation, without having to allow Branch to seek out his own deal. Now, he has the added benefit of knowing his value to other teams, which makes the threat of holding out a much more real possibility.

If you're New England, do you simply trade him now, for the best available comp, or head into the season, with Branch possibly holding out until week 10?

It could come down to this. Which is better, having Branch for at least 6 weeks, or not having him at all, but having a good draft pick in return?

Glad I don't have to make that decision.....

[RMJK]

My feeling is that they know that Branch is a stud, but they put themselves in a bad situation by allowing Branch to seek out his own deal. I think they underestimated the fact that other teams might be willing to give Branch so high a salary, even though his stats may not indicate that he is a top wideout.

This move has only reinforced Branch's belief that he is deserving of his salary demands, and has placed New England into possibly franchising him. Would this have been the case had they not allowed Branch to seek out his own deal? Maybe, maybe not. I think New England could have found out what teams were willing to part with in terms of compensation, without having to allow Branch to seek out his own deal. Now, he has the added benefit of knowing his value to other teams, which makes the threat of holding out a much more real possibility.

If you're New England, do you simply trade him now, for the best available comp, or head into the season, with Branch possibly holding out until week 10?

It could come down to this. Which is better, having Branch for at least 6 weeks, or not having him at all, but having a good draft pick in return?
Glad I don't have to make that decision.....


If I'm NE I trade Branch because he missed TC and a bad smell has developed. You get what you can for him which might be something very good. Brady will make other WRs look good. Branch just may become a Jet.

[Jet Fumes]

Yes quite an accomplishment. Tannenbaum wasted a few days on a contract that wes NEVER going to happen. BB is laughing his head off.


He made a suitable contract offer to the player and the players team. What Tanny did was give Branch's agent ammunition to back his complaint to the NFLPA. Wise move if your own Scott Pioli had done the same thing but because the JETS did it, its not a smart move?

Hypocrite...

But if that is how you feel, you are entitled.

[Jet Fumes]

How does a franchised WR get paid? Top 10, top 5 WR money?

If so, not sure what the Pats gain in franchising him.


EXACTLY!

Not sure if franchise tags work different for each position, but Abraham got an average of the top five DE's in the league when we franchised him. In his case it was around 6.75 mill for ONE season.

[BrooklynBound]

How does a franchised WR get paid? Top 10, top 5 WR money?

If so, not sure what the Pats gain in franchising him.

kidding me? If Branch blows out his knee in 07, would you rather have franchised him or signed him to a long term deal?

[Jet Fumes]

And that would be great if Branch was a free Agent, he's not, and who cares how much money he got Branch if he can't get the Jets to give up the picks to make it happen? That's like me saying I've got a guy that will buy your house for ten times what it's worth, but in order for that to happen I also have to convince the guy to let you screw his wife too. :rolleyes:



Bad analogy... lets be real.

Someone is willing to pay you ten times what your home is worth and the last obstacle is that the buyer wants to bun your wife?

For ten times what my home is worth?

Come on Shasta!!!! Not sure if you own a home, but for ten times its value I am CERTAIN MOST if not ALL of us would GLADLY offer up our wives/girlfriends/significant others for that kind of loot. Hell, I would even wager that alot of our wives/girlfriends/significant others would gladly take that deal. I bet some of them would even do it behind our backs without our consent!

Come on Shasta...!!!! Like you would be real mad if one day you went to get a balance out of your checking account and saw a bunch of extra zero's behind it?!?!?!?!?!?!? Liar!!!!

[BrooklynBound]

Bad analogy... lets be real.

Someone is willing to pay you ten times what your home is worth and the last obstacle is that the buyer wants to bun your wife?

For ten times what my home is worth?

Come on Shasta!!!! Not sure if you own a home, but for ten times its value I am CERTAIN MOST if not ALL of us would GLADLY offer up our wives/girlfriends/significant others for that kind of loot. Hell, I would even wager that alot of our wives/girlfriends/significant others would gladly take that deal. I bet some of them would even do it behind our backs without our consent!

Come on Shasta...!!!! Like you would be real mad if one day you went to get a balance out of your checking account and saw a bunch of extra zero's behind it?!?!?!?!?!?!? Liar!!!!

Are you married? If so, you're a terrible husband.

[chad101]

kidding me? If Branch blows out his knee in 07, would you rather have franchised him or signed him to a long term deal?

My point is that TX states the PATS stance is Branch is not a top 10 WR and wont pay him as one.

Placing the Franchise Tag on him in 07 would do so if the tag rule for wideouts states they be paid among top 10 at their position.

[Jet Fumes]

kidding me? If Branch blows out his knee in 07, would you rather have franchised him or signed him to a long term deal?



But thats always a worry Brooklyn. You make contracts based upon the current situation, not what may happen or whether or not a person will stay healthy or not. If he gets hurt and can not play, I am certain you attempt to re-structure. We would not pay Abe cause he had issues staying healthy. The refusal to make him a long term deal was based upon that inability up to that point.

Same thing when we did not want to pay Coles. He has been healthy and productive. He blows out a knee, ish happens. Can't negotiate contracts and decide to pay or not pay people solely based upon the fact that they MIGHT get injured.

Ellis ain't been injured yet. Was giving him the contract we gave him a bad idea cause he MIGHT get injured?

[BrooklynBound]

My point is that TX states the PATS stance is Branch is not a top 10 WR and wont pay him as one.

Placing the Franchise Tag on him in 07 would do so if the tag rule for wideouts states they be paid among top 10 at their position.

they won't pay him as a top 10 WR for a long term deal... big difference

[BrooklynBound]

But thats always a worry Brooklyn. You make contracts based upon the current situation, not what may happen or whether or not a person will stay healthy or not. If he gets hurt and can not play, I am certain you attempt to re-structure. We would not pay Abe cause he had issues staying healthy. The refusal to make him a long term deal was based upon that inability up to that point.

Same thing when we did not want to pay Coles. He has been healthy and productive. He blows out a knee, ish happens. Can't negotiate contracts and decide to pay or not pay people solely based upon the fact that they MIGHT get injured.

Ellis ain't been injured yet. Was giving him the contract we gave him a bad idea cause he MIGHT get injured?

all i'm saying is that the shorter the deal, the more you're willing to pay up in salary amount.

hence, why it makes sense to franchise Branch, but not give him big money over a long contract

[samwise]

Bad analogy... lets be real.

Someone is willing to pay you ten times what your home is worth and the last obstacle is that the buyer wants to bun your wife?

For ten times what my home is worth?

Come on Shasta!!!! Not sure if you own a home, but for ten times its value I am CERTAIN MOST if not ALL of us would GLADLY offer up our wives/girlfriends/significant others for that kind of loot. Hell, I would even wager that alot of our wives/girlfriends/significant others would gladly take that deal. I bet some of them would even do it behind our backs without our consent!

Come on Shasta...!!!! Like you would be real mad if one day you went to get a balance out of your checking account and saw a bunch of extra zero's behind it?!?!?!?!?!?!? Liar!!!!


I wouldn't pimp my wife for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 I pity anyone who would

[Jet Fumes]

Are you married? If so, you're a terrible husband.


Not married. Not sure I believe its worth the trouble. Over half of all marriages fail, and just about ALL marriages have problems based on money or lack there of.

Not married. Just real. For ten times the value of a house here in the shore area of Jersey, my rather negative opinion of the human race is that MANY would take the deal. The flip side is that MOST would not ADMIT they would take the deal. I keep it real.

Whats next? "I would not cheat on my wife even if she was out of town for two weeks and Halle Berry showed up on my doorstep with nothing on but a trench coat." Get real!!!!

Ten times my homes worth? DONE

Halle naked on my doorstep? DONE


Dont admit it if you dont want to, but we Americans are greedy and always want more then we need. Millions of dollars to bang my wife (if I had one)? Dude some of you out here right now would, have, and are currently banging people behind your spouses backs for no money at all!!!! Not saying you are Brooklyn, just that MANY are, and MANY would damn sure do it for that kind of coin.

[BrooklynBound]

Not married. Not sure I believe its worth the trouble. Over half of all marriages fail, and just about ALL marriages have problems based on money or lack there of.

Not married. Just real. For ten times the value of a house here in the shore area of Jersey, my rather negative opinion of the human race is that MANY would take the deal. The flip side is that MOST would not ADMIT they would take the deal. I keep it real.

Whats next? "I would not cheat on my wife even if she was out of town for two weeks and Halle Berry showed up on my doorstep with nothing on but a trench coat." Get real!!!!

Ten times my homes worth? DONE

Halle naked on my doorstep? DONE


Dont admit it if you dont want to, but we Americans are greedy and always want more then we need. Millions of dollars to bang my wife (if I had one)? Dude some of you out here right now would, have, and are currently banging people behind your spouses backs for no money at all!!!! Not saying you are Brooklyn, just that MANY are, and MANY would damn sure do it for that kind of coin.
Thank god you're not married. I wouldn't get married until you realize that you don't want to WHORE out your wife.

[Jet Fumes]

I wouldn't pimp my wife for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 I pity anyone who would



Good for you! I commend you! Are you certain she feels the same?
None of my business at all...

Just stating that many out there right now are banging people behind their spouses back for nothing more than the emotional and physical thrill involved in cheating on ones mate. We spend too much time in this country putting on false fronts and ACTING like we are what we are not. People cheat EVERY DAY for alot less than ten times the value of their home. Period.

Dislike me for calling a spade a spade if you want.

[samwise]

if you marry the right one, you have no worries mate.

I got lucky

now my kids, on the other hand..... :D

[Jet Fumes]

Thank god you're not married. I wouldn't get married until you realize that you don't want to WHORE out your wife.


I do not and would not want to pimp my wife out at all. Ultimately I am saying that many of us out here right now have done, are doing, and/or will do it again for alot less than what Shasta said. If you are not one of them, great.

But lets not get it twisted.

Most people who have done dirt won't admit it first of all.
Second of all, they all did it for FREE!!!!

Again Brooklyn, if this aint you, then pay it no attention.

Its my take on marriage. It fails more than it succeeds from my perspective. We are a selfish, greedy, and covetous society here. Not everyone individually, but as a whole that is what we are in this country. Those who cheat, are cheating, and/or will cheat are going to do it for NOTHING.

Getting coin out of it would be an added bonus.

But again that is just my negative view, and I am entitled to it.

As you can see, I have little faith not only in marriage but in mankind as a whole.

[Jet Fumes]

if you marry the right one, you have no worries mate.

I got lucky

now my kids, on the other hand..... :D


I commend you for finding her. Most are not as fortunate.

No disrespect was intended here and I hope none was taken...

Still I contest that it was a bad comparison being that most who have/are cheating are doing it for free. Many who are unhappily married would dime their spouses out for NOTHING. Add money to the equation, compounded by us being the greedy society we are, even the happily married ones would consider it, and some of them would do it as well.

Perhaps I will be fortunate like you and find the right one.

[Savage69]

I wouldn't pimp my wife for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 I pity anyone who would

Hey Sam what if a Beautiful Rich Woman would buy you a new house put a Million Tax free in your Bank and pay for all your kids to go to the college of their choice plus your Wife said do it..Would you???

[samwise]

Hey Sam what if a Beautiful Rich Woman would buy you a new house put a Million Tax free in your Bank and pay for all your kids to go to the college of their choice plus your Wife said do it..Would you???


nope


there is nothing more valuable than peace of mind. nothing. thoughts of some guy thumping my wife would destroy me.


just not worth it

[Savage69]

nope


there is nothing more valuable than peace of mind. nothing. thoughts of some guy thumping my wife would destroy me.


just not worth it


I wasn't talking about your wife I was talking about you! Read it again S-L-O-W-L-Y! :yes: The Woman wanted you... :eek:

[Jet Fumes]

Hey Sam what if a Beautiful Rich Woman would buy you a new house put a Million Tax free in your Bank and pay for all your kids to go to the college of their choice plus your Wife said do it..Would you???


His wife saying do it is worthless Savage... we all know women never actually tell you what they really want you to do. She would say do it, just to see if he would do it then get mad at him for actually doing it! Fact.

Would he? Who knows?

My take is that not only would he do it, he would do it and lie about it to his wife. Hide the loot, then tell her after you buy her a bunch of nice stuff.

[nationalist88]

His wife saying do it is worthless Savage... we all know women never actually tell you what they really want you to do. She would say do it, just to see if he would do it then get mad at him for actually doing it! Fact.

Would he? Who knows?

My take is that not only would he do it, he would do it and lie about it to his wife. Hide the loot, then tell her after you buy her a bunch of nice stuff.Maybe you have a low regard for mankind in general because you think they all have a pricetag like you do. Not everyone's values are for sale..

[samwise]

I wasn't talking about your wife I was talking about you! Read it again S-L-O-W-L-Y! :yes: The Woman wanted you... :eek:


if you have character and value peace of mind, the circumstances of the scenario are irrelevant

[Savage69]

if you have character and value peace of mind, the circumstances of the scenario are irrelevant

Sounds like you have a Great Marriage!May it last forever! ;)

[Bleedin' Green]

Someone want to let me know what the hell this has to do with Brach's grievance?? :confused:

[Savage69]

Someone want to let me know what the hell this has to do with Brach's grievance?? :confused:
It has nothing to do with Brach or Branch either one.. :P