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CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 12:50 AM

First and foremost, I am not a Red Sox fan who is sour. Being from Canada, I love the Jays, but first and foremost I am a baseball fan. Five years ago, I travelled to all thirty ball parks, a lifelong dream of mine. I understand that you guys are excited about your team winning, but can't ANYONE understand how this crap is destroying the sport. THE ONLY reason the Yankees are their every year is because of their deep pockets. Remember when anyone could win the World Series? This is killing the sport, and I hope all you Yankee fans enjoy these days, because they are coming to a close. Their will be a time when nobody outside the 212, 718, 917, 646, 347 etc. area codes gives a sh** about baseball anymore. I know I'm getting there...

jetman67

10-17-2003, 12:52 AM

Baseball is an AMERICAN sport. Canadian opinions do not matter. Expanding into Canada was Baseballs biggest mistake

Matt39

10-17-2003, 12:53 AM

spare me

shawn306

10-17-2003, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 12:50 AM
First and foremost, I am not a Red Sox fan who is sour. Being from Canada, I love the Jays, but first and foremost I am a baseball fan. Five years ago, I travelled to all thirty ball parks, a lifelong dream of mine. I understand that you guys are excited about your team winning, but can't ANYONE understand how this crap is destroying the sport. THE ONLY reason the Yankees are their every year is because of their deep pockets. Remember when anyone could win the World Series? This is killing the sport, and I hope all you Yankee fans enjoy these days, because they are coming to a close. Their will be a time when nobody outside the 212, 718, 917, 646, 347 etc. area codes gives a sh** about baseball anymore. I know I'm getting there...
We have our second salary excuse :lol:

BWAHAHAHAAH :lol:

Buckeye Jet

10-17-2003, 12:55 AM

Was that a racist remark?

Flowtrain

10-17-2003, 12:56 AM

Have a Molson with those sour grapes and go watch a nice curling match.

PFSIKH

10-17-2003, 12:57 AM

Selig ruined it by agreeing to that BS settlement last year.

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 01:06 AM

Jet man 67, do you need a little history lesson? Did you realize that the first recorded game in North America was in Canada? Actually, the game was adopted from the British game Rounders. It's no more American than Hockey.

I didn't realize my nationality had to come into play here. I said I was a BASEBALL fan, not a CANADIAN baseball fan. Perhaps I should bring up the fact that 75 percent of all American rosters in the NHL are Canadian.

I thought I would get a little more respect than those replies. If you would look at it from a FANS point of view, and not a YANKEES point of view, you would understand where I am coming from. The same team winning every year is not that exciting whether they can spend the money or not. But the fact the Yankees have a huge advantage over every team is not right. Your just pissed because I am picking on your team and not some no-name team.

PFSIKH

10-17-2003, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 05:06 AM
Jet man 67, do you need a little history lesson? Did you realize that the first recorded game in North America was in Canada? Actually, the game was adopted from the British game Rounders. It's no more American than Hockey.

I didn't realize my nationality had to come into play here. I said I was a BASEBALL fan, not a CANADIAN baseball fan. Perhaps I should bring up the fact that 75 percent of all American rosters in the NHL are Canadian.

I thought I would get a little more respect than those replies. If you would look at it from a FANS point of view, and not a YANKEES point of view, you would understand where I am coming from. The same team winning every year is not that exciting whether they can spend the money or not. But the fact the Yankees have a huge advantage over every team is not right. Your just pissed because I am picking on your team and not some no-name team.
Be realistic. What do you expect coming into a predominantly Pro-Yankee board?

I have argued baseball with these knuckleheads many many times. Very few will even admit the econmic diffeerences between the Yanks and everyone else has an impact on the game.

shawn306

10-17-2003, 01:09 AM

nobody cares who you pick in all honesty.

All the salary excuses coming in tonight takes away from the great battle that was waged between two great teams.

Say what you want. The Sox and the Yanks just waged one of the greatest games in baseball history.

tailgators

10-17-2003, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 01:06 AM
I thought I would get a little more respect than those replies.
Then don't post a thread with an idiotic title like that.

Not on a night like tonight!!

BTW...the Skydome sucks!!

NYJJared

10-17-2003, 01:11 AM

That was one of the most exciting baseball games I have ever seen....baseball is hardly ruined. Boston didn't have a hard time beating the Yankees with their salary. Baseball salaries are high anyway so its only like 1-2 players. That game was awesome and these playofs have been the best in recent memory.

RichardSeymour

10-17-2003, 01:13 AM

Good post CanadaSteve.

As a fan of the defeated team I'm not going to make excuses.

But in the grand scheme of things you are absolutely right.

In their hearts a few of these Yankees fans even know its true.

I like to think that if my team had a massive competitive advantage, I'd be man enough to admit it, and to admit that change is needed, while still enjoying it for as long as it lasted.

Any Yankees fan who honestly believes they would make the same arguments if the Yankees were a 70 million payroll team and the Orioles were a 180 million dollar juggernought, is lying to themselves.

Bob the Jets Fan™

10-17-2003, 01:13 AM

Three things:

1 - Yes, CanadaSteve. You posted to incite Yankee fans, and that's what you got. Whining about it is hypocritical.

2 - Jetman67, trashing someone's nationality is crap. I'd expect better from you.

3 - The Skydome does NOT suck. It is the most fan-friendly stadium I've ever visited. Too bad they can't get crowds there. The Jays deserve more support.

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 01:15 AM

Man, this is the first time I have posted anything outside of the Jets. Great, you know what, if the Leafs had just won for the upteen time in a row, I'd be happy too. If the Jets had won their fifth Super Bowl in a row, GREAT! But there is a difference. I would also understand if there is a discrepancy between the teams. Yes it was a great game, but when it comes down to it, nobody cares outside of NY that they are in. It is hurting the sport having such a wide margin between the teams. Does the NFL have this problem? No, because they have a salary cap in place. The NHL will have the same problem if they reject the next collective bargaining agreement.

TomShane

10-17-2003, 01:17 AM

NYJJared

10-17-2003, 01:17 AM

I do believe that there is a problem in salary between the top tier teams and the low tier teams, but to say to Yanks bought the series from Boston, or the Mets, or the other big spenders is crap. It's not all money you gotta know what to do with it. On a grand scale the game of baseball is wrong but the Yankees aren't the only team that takes advantage of that.

tailgators

10-17-2003, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Bob the Jets Fan™@Oct 17 2003, 01:13 AM
The Skydome does NOT suck. It is the most fan-friendly stadium I've ever visited.
The skydome sucks out loud.

First of all it faces the wrong way. The sun should set behind home plate and not into the face of the batter.

Secondly, it has the worst artificial surface in North American professional sports.

Lastly, the seats are too far away from the playing field.

Bottom Line; it SUCKS!!

Bloodflowsgreen

10-17-2003, 01:18 AM

You weren't thinking that when the Blue Jays man-handled us during the regular season.

TomShane

10-17-2003, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 01:15 AM
Man, this is the first time I have posted anything outside of the Jets. Great, you know what, if the Leafs had just won for the upteen time in a row, I'd be happy too. If the Jets had won their fifth Super Bowl in a row, GREAT! But there is a difference. I would also understand if there is a discrepancy between the teams. Yes it was a great game, but when it comes down to it, nobody cares outside of NY that they are in. It is hurting the sport having such a wide margin between the teams. Does the NFL have this problem? No, because they have a salary cap in place. The NHL will have the same problem if they reject the next collective bargaining agreement.
Listen, you filthy Canuck. Why don't you run back up to Canada and try to hawk your cheap-crap lumber to America so we can keep you financially stable.

We here in the U. S. of A. have a name for a land mass like yours that has no earthly practical function other than to suck up US relief dollars:

"Detroit"

JK!, btw. Leave the Yanks fans alone, it's their night to gloat. Canada is a lovely place, and Toronto and Montreal are about as nice a place to spend a weekend as any.

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 01:22 AM

Bob the Jets fan, I honestly didn't post to p##s off Yankee fans. It was a great game. Enjoy the victory, but there is a problem with baseball. It hasn't anything to do with the Yankees winning. The Red Sox spend almost as much as the Yankees do. It's great to see Florida there again with their payroll, but the majority of the teams are going nowhere because they cannot compete with the big salaries. It's going that way in hockey as well.

All I am saying is baseball needs to go the way of the NFL with a cap. And by the way, I'm not that big of fan of the Skydome. Wrigley Field, Fenway Park, Yankee Stadium, and the old County Stadium are way better. The retractable roof is kinda cool though. So is the beer.

RichardSeymour

10-17-2003, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by NYJJared@Oct 17 2003, 01:11 AM
That was one of the most exciting baseball games I have ever seen....baseball is hardly ruined. Boston didn't have a hard time beating the Yankees with their salary. Baseball salaries are high anyway so its only like 1-2 players. That game was awesome and these playofs have been the best in recent memory.
Team Payroll Tax

New York Yankees $180,322,403 10,764,809
New York Mets 116,253,927 0
Los Angeles 109,248,680 0
Texas 106,277,880 0
Boston 104,873,607 0

Look. You won. You should be glad. Payroll shouldn't change that for you. As long as the current system allows you to spend like Bill Gates, you can't be criticized for doing so.

Howeber I see a 76 million dollar gap in the Boston and NYY payrolls.

Thats
Pedro Martinez: 15 million
Manny Ramirez: 20 million
Nomar Garciaparra: 10.5 million
Jason Varitek: 4.7 million
Johnny Damon: 7.5 million
Derek Lowe: 3.5 million
Total: about 61 million. So 6 of Bostons most expensive players don't even make up the difference.

If you subtract from the Yankees:

Derek Jeter: 15.6 million
Mike Mussina: 12 million
Andy Pettitte: 11.5 million
Jason Giambi: 11.5 million
Mariano Rivera: 10.5 million
Jorge Posada 8 million

thats about 69 million. Does a team without those guys win the WS 2 out of every 3 years? Go ahead and substitute Mondesis salary for Mussina if you want. Losing those guys still puts a cramp on your juggernoughts style.

This example is versus BOSTON.... one of the 5 biggest payrolls in the league. An NFL style salary cap would hurt Boston too, quite a bit actually. But it would be good for baseball.

So don't say its 1 or 2 guys. It's 5 or 6 of the BEST guys on either team.

NYY has a right to spend the money under the current rules, so they should. But don't say the current rules aren't horrible for baseball. they are.

tailgators

10-17-2003, 01:25 AM

Hey Richard Seymour!!

Here's some kleenex!!

Your post is pathetic!!

Next time serve some cheese with your whine!!

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 01:30 AM

Hey Tom Shane, better read your Free Trade Agreement again before you start blabbing about something you don't understand.

You know, not that any of you give a sh@t, but this website was cool for posting some different opinions about things. If I was a Yankee fan, at least I would be man enough to admit there is a problem with the economics of the game. This is crap that you keep bringing up my nationality as a problem. Did I ever once say anything about the United States? No. It was a great game, but the economics of the game is hurting the sport.

Can everyone please lay off my nationality and comment on the post instead?

tailgators

10-17-2003, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 01:30 AM
Can everyone please lay off my nationality and comment on the post instead?
OK, You're post was stupid.

Go away!!

RichardSeymour

10-17-2003, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by tailgators@Oct 17 2003, 01:25 AM
Hey Richard Seymour!!

Here's some kleenex!!

Your post is pathetic!!

Next time serve some cheese with your whine!!
Like I say, as long as the system allows them to, bully for yankees management for spending the money. The Yanks beat the Sox tonight no ifs, ands or buts.

But your ignorant or a hypocrite if you think that in the grand scheme of things this isn't a problem, and that it isn't bad for basebal

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 01:35 AM

My post was not stupid. What is stupid is a bunch of Yankee fans who cannot admit that the fact they can spend 175 million a year on their payroll doesn't give them an advantage that would best be served if all teams were on an even playing field.

Grab a brain Tailgators.

tailgators

10-17-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by RichardSeymour@Oct 17 2003, 01:32 AM
The Yanks beat the Sox tonight no ifs, ands or buts.

But your ignorant or a hypocrite if you think that in the grand scheme of things this isn't a problem, and that it isn't bad for basebal
Are you realy saying that the YANKEES beating the Red Sox is bad for baseball?

If that were the case then baseball would've been ruined long ago.

Just have the good grace to take you loss like a man.

TomShane

10-17-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 01:30 AM
Hey Tom Shane, better read your Free Trade Agreement again before you start blabbing about something you don't understand.

You know, not that any of you give a sh@t, but this website was cool for posting some different opinions about things. If I was a Yankee fan, at least I would be man enough to admit there is a problem with the economics of the game. This is crap that you keep bringing up my nationality as a problem. Did I ever once say anything about the United States? No. It was a great game, but the economics of the game is hurting the sport.

Can everyone please lay off my nationality and comment on the post instead?
NAFTA= Welfare for Canada and Mexico. You're welcome, Ulf!

TomShane

10-17-2003, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by RichardSeymour@Oct 17 2003, 01:23 AM
Team Payroll Tax

New York Yankees $180,322,403 10,764,809
New York Mets 116,253,927 0
Los Angeles 109,248,680 0
Texas 106,277,880 0
Boston 104,873,607 0

As a Mets fan, just let me offer this disclaimer as to why we came in #2....

We're paying Marco Scutaro WAY too much.

Thanks. ~TS

Alk

10-17-2003, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by Bob the Jets Fan™@Oct 17 2003, 12:13 AM
2 - Jetman67, trashing someone's nationality is crap. I'd expect better from you.

Ya know? From what I have seen of Jetman67's posts. Absolutely nothing would surprise me. You always see those guys that don't think before they speak. Well this doesn't apply to Jetman. He just doesn't think period.

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 01:45 AM

Tom, please read the agreement. When Mulroney signed the agreement years ago, it definitely helped the Americans in the short term, but it has helped Canada in the long term. That is called good business. Your lumber comment is a bad example of the Americans not wanting to live up to their agreement from fourteen years ago.

And the last time I checked, baseball and NAFTA really don't have that much in common. Sorry you got burned, but I'm cheesed about the state of baseball, not a lumber deal.

Alk

10-17-2003, 01:47 AM

Hey CanadaSteve. You need to scroll a little further down on Tom's post that was bashing you. He continued it by saying he was just messing with you. He's a wise a$$ sometimes it's kinda hard to pick up on his humor. :lol:

tailgators

10-17-2003, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 01:45 AM
Tom, please read the agreement. When Mulroney signed the agreement years ago, it definitely helped the Americans in the short term, but it has helped Canada in the long term. That is called good business. Your lumber comment is a bad example of the Americans not wanting to live up to their agreement from fourteen years ago.

And the last time I checked, baseball and NAFTA really don't have that much in common. Sorry you got burned, but I'm cheesed about the state of baseball, not a lumber deal.
Canada you're new here and your not getting off to a good start.

Maybe you should pipe down.
OK?

TomShane

10-17-2003, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by huskeralk@Oct 17 2003, 01:47 AM
Hey CanadaSteve. You need to scroll a little further down on Tom's post that was bashing you. He continued it by saying he was just messing with you. He's a wise a$$ sometimes it's kinda hard to pick up on his humor. :lol:
Husk, you are my biggest cheerleader. If the Midwest didn't have those old rules about men hugging men, well I'd give you a big ol' rooty-tooty, ya big lug. ;)

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 01:55 AM

I apologize to Tom if I offended him. But I won't pipe down, sorry not in my nature. Isn't arguing about sport stuff great/

Anyway, back to football, why I really came on tonight. If the Jets win this weekend, and Chad is back the following week against the Eagles, the Jets will be in a better position than they were last year. Ever the optimist? Perhaps, but they did impress last week against Buffalo.......

TomShane

10-17-2003, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 01:45 AM
Tom, please read the agreement. When Mulroney signed the agreement years ago, it definitely helped the Americans in the short term, but it has helped Canada in the long term. That is called good business. Your lumber comment is a bad example of the Americans not wanting to live up to their agreement from fourteen years ago.

And the last time I checked, baseball and NAFTA really don't have that much in common. Sorry you got burned, but I'm cheesed about the state of baseball, not a lumber deal.
Stevester, I was just kidding. I wouldn't know NAFTA from NASA. Just busting on you, man.

Long live Canada and its ridiculously contrived National Anthem that sounds woefully like "O Tannenbaum."

Alk

10-17-2003, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by TomShane@Oct 17 2003, 12:55 AM
Husk, you are my biggest cheerleader. If the Midwest didn't have those old rules about men hugging men, well I'd give you a big ol' rooty-tooty, ya big lug. ;)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I don't even know how to respond to that.

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 02:06 AM

Tom, our national anthem does bear a striking resemblance to that great classic, doesn't it?

CanadaSteve

10-17-2003, 02:07 AM

Tom, our national anthem does bear a striking resemblance to that great classic, doesn't it?

RichardSeymour

10-17-2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by tailgators+Oct 17 2003, 01:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tailgators @ Oct 17 2003, 01:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--RichardSeymour@Oct 17 2003, 01:32 AM
The Yanks beat the Sox tonight no ifs, ands or buts.

But your ignorant or a hypocrite if you think that in the grand scheme of things this isn't a problem, and that it isn't bad for basebal
Are you realy saying that the YANKEES beating the Red Sox is bad for baseball?

If that were the case then baseball would've been ruined long ago.

Just have the good grace to take you loss like a man. [/b][/quote]
Let me absolutely clear:

The outcome of tonights game, either way, couldn't really effect baseball. When I say "But your ignorant or a hypocrite if you think that in the grand scheme of things this isn't a problem, and that it isn't bad for basebal" I'm referring to the long term implications of competitive imbalance.

Completely seperate issue from this series in my mind.

The Sox lost fair and square.

TomShane

10-17-2003, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by RichardSeymour+Oct 17 2003, 02:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RichardSeymour @ Oct 17 2003, 02:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -tailgators@Oct 17 2003, 01:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--RichardSeymour@Oct 17 2003, 01:32 AM
The Yanks beat the Sox tonight no ifs, ands or buts.

But your ignorant or a hypocrite if you think that in the grand scheme of things this isn't a problem, and that it isn't bad for basebal
Are you realy saying that the YANKEES beating the Red Sox is bad for baseball?

If that were the case then baseball would've been ruined long ago.

Just have the good grace to take you loss like a man.
Let me absolutely clear:

The outcome of tonights game, either way, couldn't really effect baseball. When I say "But your ignorant or a hypocrite if you think that in the grand scheme of things this isn't a problem, and that it isn't bad for basebal" I'm referring to the long term implications of competitive imbalance.

Completely seperate issue from this series in my mind.

The Sox lost fair and square. [/b][/quote]
Don't back off, Seymour!!!!!

HEY! If the RED SOX had another 85 MILLION to spend, they could have paid to have TED WILLIAMS resurrected, his head stapled back on and batting in the three hole!

Chew on THAT, YANKEE FANS!

RichardSeymour

10-17-2003, 02:16 AM

Man Tom, you have me rooting for the Jets to pull out a 7-9 season. You'd look good in a Ty Law jersey (though that'll probably be available in Pats blue for only one more year)

TomShane

10-17-2003, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by RichardSeymour@Oct 17 2003, 02:16 AM
Man Tom, you have me rooting for the Jets to pull out a 7-9 season. You'd look good in a Ty Law jersey (though that'll probably be available in Pats blue for only one more year)
Awww shucks. I just like to say "three hole."

RichardSeymour

10-17-2003, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by TomShane@Oct 17 2003, 02:22 AM
Awww shucks. I just like to say "three hole."
Don't we all.

Bugg

10-17-2003, 03:11 AM

Steinbrenner is playing by the rules, which, as per BoB Dupay and Bud Selig, were going to solve all of baseball's money problems.Steinbrenner puts his cash on the field. I guess he's supposed to pocket it like so many scumbag owners instead? All this cash didn't much help in the late 80s early 90s, when a certain Canadian team which used to sell out all the time dominated. Gee, why no mention of that? The Indians, Mariners, Mets, Orioles , Twins, Angels, Cardinals, Rockies, Royals, A's and White Sox have all been competitive; the Mariners, Sawx ,Dodgers, Cubs, Braves and Angels are all owned or part owned by huge media compnaies. By comparison, Steinbrenner even with YES is a realtive mom&pop operation.

Speaking of history-wake up. there has never been some golden era of perfect competition. NEVER. There will always be haves and have nots. Look it up. In fact, the spread of records of teams in the last 20 years is closer in terms of won/loss record as it has ever been.

Go back to your whining.

RichardSeymour

10-17-2003, 03:47 AM

Uh, Bugg.... thats because there has never been a salary cap.

Look at football.

Monster_Green

10-17-2003, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 01:30 AM

Can everyone please lay off my nationality and comment on the post instead?
You got it. Ridiculous post. Sour grapes.

It's obviously not only about deep pockets. It's maintaining a great scouting team who are able to recognize talent. It's a front office that can assess free agent talent and make the proper moves. It's about a future hall of fame manager who has the incredible knack for making the right moves and motivating his players. It's about class, talent and professionalism from the top to the bottom of a legendary organization. I could go on and on, but you
get the picture. Incredible!

GO YANKS!

yourworstmemory

10-17-2003, 07:41 AM

seriously, the yankeys have ruined baseball...since they started winning almost year on and year off, i have not watched a single baseball game...their is no point, who cares who wins when at the end of the year its going to be the same team? it is quite ridiculous...its funny how the majority of you hate the washington redskins, but the yankeys are the redskins of football...hilarious...you can rip me all you want, but im not a fan of any team anymore so that really doesn't matter to me...the fact is that baseball isn't fun when the same team wins the world series every other year...

D-BYRD

10-17-2003, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 12:50 AM
First and foremost, I am not a Red Sox fan who is sour. Being from Canada, I love the Jays, but first and foremost I am a baseball fan. Five years ago, I travelled to all thirty ball parks, a lifelong dream of mine. I understand that you guys are excited about your team winning, but can't ANYONE understand how this crap is destroying the sport. THE ONLY reason the Yankees are their every year is because of their deep pockets. Remember when anyone could win the World Series? This is killing the sport, and I hope all you Yankee fans enjoy these days, because they are coming to a close. Their will be a time when nobody outside the 212, 718, 917, 646, 347 etc. area codes gives a sh** about baseball anymore. I know I'm getting there...
Yea Boones a real house hold name. <_<
What you saw last night was a team,the Yankees,
showing you waht baseball is all about.
Giambi who has been silent comes through.Seranno(sp) who couldnt gets a hit makes up for it with his fielding.Lastly Boone an unlikely hero steps it up and hits the homer.It was a total team effort
and it was how the game should be played.

Scott Dierking

10-17-2003, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by jetman67@Oct 17 2003, 12:52 AM
Baseball is an AMERICAN sport. Canadian opinions do not matter. Expanding into Canada was Baseballs biggest mistake
Why do I get the feeling that REMAX may what to put a little asterisk on Jetman's post that state

*The opinions of Jetman do not necessarily reflect those of REMAX-LOL

jetman67

10-17-2003, 08:53 AM

Geeze, I was just busting the guys b@lls!!!

djaparz

10-17-2003, 08:54 AM

hey everyone in entitled to their opinion - and i bet if the Jays were playing tomorrow night this would be a non issue -

you can buy all the players you want (ie NY RANGERS, WASHINGTON REDSKINS) the trick is getting them to win!!!

BucJeff

10-17-2003, 08:55 AM

So what's the Marlins payroll, eh?

Limolady

10-17-2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 02:06 AM
I didn't realize my nationality had to come into play here. I said I was a BASEBALL fan, not a CANADIAN baseball fan.
Wow - I didn't know that if U live in Canada it's your nationality? :huh:
I'm Italian and live in NY, but my nationality is Italian American - not New York, but whatever.

As for the Yankees having a monopoly on the best players in order to constantly win World Series titles that's horsecrap. The kid who hit the winning home run last night came out of nowhere and had a terrible MLB record.

Money buys alot of things, it it can't buy the heart of a team. Oh, and by the way - I'm a Met fan. ;)

djaparz

10-17-2003, 09:01 AM

Marlins have a very good young team - i hope that they can keep the core and be that good for the future - i give them a ton of credit - they beat SF and Chicago!!!

Scott Dierking

10-17-2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Limolady+Oct 17 2003, 08:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Limolady @ Oct 17 2003, 08:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 02:06 AM
I didn't realize my nationality had to come into play here. I said I was a BASEBALL fan, not a CANADIAN baseball fan.
Wow - I didn't know that if U live in Canada it's your nationality? :huh:
I'm Italian and live in NY, but my nationality is Italian American - not New York, but whatever.

As for the Yankees having a monopoly on the best players in order to constantly win World Series titles that's horsecrap. The kid who hit the winning home run last night came out of nowhere and had a terrible MLB record.

Money buys alot of things, it it can't buy the heart of a team. Oh, and by the way - I'm a Met fan. ;) [/b][/quote]
The kid that hoit the homerun last nignt DID NOT come out of no where. He is the son of Bob Boone and was cut in a SALARY SLASH by the cheap Cincinatti Reds.

Aaron Boone is a quality player. He is thought of so much by the Yankees, that he is being groomed as a replacemnt for the multi-million dollar mistake that was Drew Henson.

For Yankee fans that do not believe that there is a diproportional advantage-How many other teams would have been able to do the Drew Henson experiment?

You want to call that fair.

For players outside of the US-There is NO DRAFT. The highest bidder gets to aquire their rights. Think that is fair?

Limolady

10-17-2003, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Scott Dierking@Oct 17 2003, 10:02 AM
The kid that hoit the homerun last nignt DID NOT come out of no where. He is the son of Bob Boone and was cut in a SALARY SLASH by the cheap Cincinatti Reds.

Aaron Boone is a quality player. He is thought of so much by the Yankees, that he is being groomed as a replacemnt for the multi-million dollar mistake that was Drew Henson.

For Yankee fans that do not believe that there is a diproportional advantage-How many other teams would have been able to do the Drew Henson experiment?

You want to call that fair.

For players outside of the US-There is NO DRAFT. The highest bidder gets to aquire their rights. Think that is fair?
Like I said Scott, I am a Met fan and as for this guy Boone, I can only go by what I hear about him on the news and they stated is a struggler - not a star. ;)

And my point only furthers the issue of deep pockets. You can spend top dollar to buy the goose that lays the golden eggs, but what happens when the only thing he produces are scrambled eggs? :huh:

The big money players like Jeter, Giambi, Soriano etc. had to work 4 the dollars this season in order to be where they R right now. Two months ago they mumbling to get rid of Torre because they were losing so many games. :o

Scott Dierking

10-17-2003, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by Limolady+Oct 17 2003, 09:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Limolady @ Oct 17 2003, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Scott Dierking@Oct 17 2003, 10:02 AM
The kid that hoit the homerun last nignt DID NOT come out of no where. He is the son of Bob Boone and was cut in a SALARY SLASH by the cheap Cincinatti Reds.

Aaron Boone is a quality player. He is thought of so much by the Yankees, that he is being groomed as a replacemnt for the multi-million dollar mistake that was Drew Henson.

For Yankee fans that do not believe that there is a diproportional advantage-How many other teams would have been able to do the Drew Henson experiment?

You want to call that fair.

For players outside of the US-There is NO DRAFT. The highest bidder gets to aquire their rights. Think that is fair?
Like I said Scott, I am a Met fan and as for this guy Boone, I can only go by what I hear about him on the news and they stated is a struggler - not a star. ;)

And my point only furthers the issue of deep pockets. You can spend top dollar to buy the goose that lays the golden eggs, but what happens when the only thing he produces are scrambled eggs? :huh:

The big money players like Jeter, Giambi, Soriano etc. had to work 4 the dollars this season in order to be where they R right now. Two months ago they mumbling to get rid of Torre because they were losing so many games. :o [/b][/quote]
LL-as I mentioned in another post-I really admire what the Yankees did last night.

Boone is a $3.7 mill player. Not the highest salary, but not one that most clubs would be willing to take on. He is a 20-20 guy and is a gamer. He can play third or SS.

I would LOVE to have Aaron Boone on the Mets. Even though I admire the grit of a Wiggington, Boone is the next level up.

scrizzy

10-17-2003, 10:04 AM

I don't understand why Yankee fans can't admit that it's a huge advantage to have an owner who has the ability and inclination to spend twice as much as everybody else.

As a Sox fan I've already come out and given the Yankees congratulations. I think it was a great series that either team would have deserved to win.

As fans you guys are very lucky to live where you do. The Yankee advantage doesn't only appear on their major league payroll, but in scouting, in being able to sign draft picks as well as draft potential problem signees in later rounds that other teams can't pay, and especially in the International market. Who is the last star that has left the Yankees in free agency? The Expos have developed just as much, if not more, major league talent over the last decade+ and what do they have to show for it?

It's disingenous to sit there and say how smart the Yankees are. They make good and bad moves just like everybody else. The thing is they don't pay for their bad moves and are able to capitalize on their good moves by resigning whomever they want.

This is not whining, or sour grapes. I'm not saying the Yankees aren't a great team. I'm just saying that Yankee fans are lucky and should realize how lucky they are. Winning is not your birth-right. You don't win simply because you have the smartest management or best coaches, a bigger part of your success is that you have more assets to utilize than other teams.

The Sox have a big advantage over other teams as well. I recognize this and I appreciate it. I'm glad I don't live in one of the small markets where they won't always be competitive.

And please spare me with the fact that the Marlins are in the Series. It is certainly possible for a small market team to make the playoffs and have success. The question is for how long? How many bad seasons have Florida, Minnesota, K.C. had to go through in order to develop cheap young talent? And how long will their success last? As soon as those talented youngsters start making big money they will be gone.

There is a competitive advantage to the Yankees. To deny it would be disingenous. Is it the only reason the Yankees win? No of course not. Is it a big reason? Yes.

I think Yankee fans should sit down and count their blessings and enjoy their team instead of rubbing it in.

Once again congrats on making the Series, it was a great ALCS.

GreenBlood

10-17-2003, 10:27 AM

He does have a point .... It's time for baseBall to go the way of Football it's time for a cap.

luckeechief

10-17-2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by CanadaSteve@Oct 17 2003, 01:06 AM
Jet man 67, do you need a little history lesson? Did you realize that the first recorded game in North America was in Canada? Actually, the game was adopted from the British game Rounders. It's no more American than Hockey.

I didn't realize my nationality had to come into play here. I said I was a BASEBALL fan, not a CANADIAN baseball fan. Perhaps I should bring up the fact that 75 percent of all American rosters in the NHL are Canadian.

I thought I would get a little more respect than those replies. If you would look at it from a FANS point of view, and not a YANKEES point of view, you would understand where I am coming from. The same team winning every year is not that exciting whether they can spend the money or not. But the fact the Yankees have a huge advantage over every team is not right. Your just pissed because I am picking on your team and not some no-name team.
I'll back ya up. I started my boycott of the World Series during the commercial break after Rivera's third scoreless inning. I figured things were setting up just perfect for a Yankee win. I was pretty sure it was going to be Robin Ventura that was going to do it. Ooops, my bad, who did the Yanks buy THIS year? Oh yeah, Aaron Boone. Chump. It's only a matter of time before Carlos Beltran and Vladimir Guerrero are in the Yankee outfield.

This is a Jets message board. I didn't know there was such a pro-Yankee contingency here. Nationality shouldn't be an argument here either.

Rockaway Mike

10-17-2003, 12:59 PM

How did the Yankees "buy" Aaron Boone? They wound up with less salary after trading Ventura and picking AB. But I guess facts dont matter in these arguments. Nor does it matter that many other team owners could buy and sell Steinbrenner in a second, but prefer to not spend the money that they make off the fans back onto the field. Also nice is the "no one cares about baseball anymore" argument. I guess the ratings (including last night's 81 share in Boston and 68 in NY) and the attendance (60,000+ in Miami) dont matter. And I guess that it's Yankees fault that Texas gave A-Rod that ridiculous contract, or that Bernie Williams signed for less to stay a Yankee than go to Boston, or that Mussina signed for less than Mike Hampton got.

scrizzy

10-17-2003, 01:28 PM

Noone is saying that they bought Boone. They had a payroll of in excess of 180 million. When it's that high, individual players salaries are almost irrelevant.

I love it when I hear "why don't other owners spend money on the field". The fact is that George is not 'spending money' on the Yankees. He is making money on the yankees. For another owner to spend 180 million plus another 10 or so in luxury tax, they would take a loss of probably over 100million a year. The richest person in the world isn't going to last long losing that kind of dough. The Yankees' revenue is by far the most in baseball. Nobody else is even close. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

scrizzy

10-17-2003, 01:34 PM

And yes, Texas signed Arod for ridiculous money. And their total payroll is still around 100million less than the Yankees. 100million! This discussion is not about what an individual player makes. It's about the fact that the Yankees can sign more big-money individuals than anybody else.

yourworstmemory

10-17-2003, 04:19 PM

face it...baseball sucks and half the reason is because of the yankees...i will never watch another baseball again, at least not a major league game...there is no point...

tailgators

10-17-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by yourworstmemory@Oct 17 2003, 04:19 PM
i will never watch another baseball again, at least not a major league game.
I'm sure that MLB is all busted up over this latest development.

PFSIKH

10-17-2003, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Rockaway Mike@Oct 17 2003, 04:59 PM
Also nice is the "no one cares about baseball anymore" argument. I guess the ratings (including last night's 81 share in Boston and 68 in NY) and the attendance (60,000+ in Miami) dont matter.
First, the ratings for game 7 of the ALCS are an abberration because of who is playing. Sox and Yanks. The only matchup that woul dbe better is Sox vs. Cubs.

How many times since the Marlins last title did they take 10 homegames to get 68K?

Baseball has an apathetic following at best in its current state.

Boozer76

10-17-2003, 07:46 PM

You know what, if you want to state how baseball needs a salary cap, then that is one thing and it is a valid argument. The problem is you guys insist on blaming the Yankees. Fact is, we have an owner who spends alot of money. He doesn't let players go for next to nothing just to save money (ala CIN giving away Boone). He also doesn't foolishly spend the money one one player just to put asses in seats (ala TEX with ARod).

The way the system is set up right now, teams are free to spend whatever they like. But it doesn't always mean that team will win. Look at ANA last year, or ARI the year before. What about when the Yanks were the laughing stock for almost 20 years?? They were always among the highest paid team, but they still sucked. Danny Tartabull anyone??!! :blink: Look at the Mets now. They spent a ton, but it got them nowhere. Fact is if you are going to spend the money, you still have to do it wisely, as obviously the Yanks are doing right now. But it wasn't too long ago when free agent players would use the Yankees in negotiations just to raise the offers of other team. Greg Maddox had no intention of playing for the Yanks, yet he used them to bolster his side of negotiations when he went from CHI to ATL.

The Yankees are doing nothing wrong. If you want to place blame, either blame your team owner for pocketing more of the profit than reinvesting it, or blame MLB for not implementing a cap. Or, more accurately, blame the players on each of your respective teams gfor threatening to strike anytime the words 'salary cap' are brought up.

shawn306

10-17-2003, 07:49 PM

Yankees win cause of salary ?

Oh that old gag :rolleyes:

Rockaway Mike

10-17-2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by PFSIKH+Oct 17 2003, 07:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PFSIKH @ Oct 17 2003, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Rockaway Mike@Oct 17 2003, 04:59 PM
Also nice is the "no one cares about baseball anymore" argument. I guess the ratings (including last night's 81 share in Boston and 68 in NY) and the attendance (60,000+ in Miami) dont matter.
First, the ratings for game 7 of the ALCS are an abberration because of who is playing. Sox and Yanks. The only matchup that woul dbe better is Sox vs. Cubs.

How many times since the Marlins last title did they take 10 homegames to get 68K?

Baseball has an apathetic following at best in its current state. [/b][/quote]
My bad. You're not watching anymore, so no one is going to either.

isired

10-17-2003, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Limolady@Oct 17 2003, 08:56 AM
Wow - I didn't know that if U live in Canada it's your nationality? :huh:
I'm Italian and live in NY, but my nationality is Italian American - not New York, but whatever.

The kid who hit the winning home run last night came out of nowhere and had a terrible MLB record.
Are you kidding me, Jessica? The United States is a nation. Italy is a nation. Canada is a nation. New York is a state.

aaron boone is no a-rod, but he's definitely not 'out of nowhere' - he's from 3 generations of major leaguers (his dad bob and grandfather ray both had long major league careers, and his brother brett is no slouch for the mariners, either...). and since when does a 20-20 guy have a terrible mlb record? the mets (my team, too) should have had some more 20-20's this year...

patman

10-18-2003, 07:06 AM

If the yankees moved to KC, (FO and all)how much money would they make next year?
Probally the best team in Basebal, playing in a great baseball stadium of similar capacity to yankee stadium. They would draw 3mill easily. They would be able to establish a nice TV network but would it make 100mill a year for the team, would they have the signage money. How long will the FO be able to sign and out bid other teams for Contreas and GodZilla?
I would give Steinbrenner about 3 years before he started letting players go. No millionaire got rich by spending more money than he made.

The fans of the yanks are fortunate to be the beneficaries of a structure that allows big money teams to have a huge advantage. And it is just not on the field, Scouts, player develpmnet moneys throwing 15 mill at Drew henson, c'mon. You guys are trying to sound like spending money is tough.
So what if you eat Henson's and Mondessi contract? Can you trade cheap talent for proven players, sure becaue if a hole develops just buy someone else. some team somewhere allways has somebody they cant afford to re-sign.

In RI the fans are about 80 red Sox, 10% yanks and 10% for all other teams. But atleast the fans around here admit that spending 80 mill more than the sox gives them advantage.

shawn306

10-18-2003, 07:37 AM

All this crap about money is simply another excuse to accept losing.

Face it, fans are jealous of the Yankee success through the years. They didn't mind it too much when George was spendning money left and right on losers like Ed Whitson, Steve Kemp and trading away great prospects like Fred McGriff, Willie McGee, Doug Drabek and getting back nobodies.

Worry about your own team. Worry about spending 150 million dollars on the likes of Pedro Martinez and Manny Ramirez instead of building a farm system like Oakland, Minnesota. Or developing good pitchers like Florida had this year.

Some teams are able to adapt to the situation and build a good team. Others, just sit and pocket their revenue sharing that the Yankees give them. Then then there are some that just are gonna complain no matter what.

PFSIKH

10-18-2003, 08:39 AM

Shawn

Your blind and the truth is close enough to kick your ass. The local sports radio station in here in KC lead story was the Yank/Sox game. After the guy got done slamming Grady Littlebrain, a clever nickname I think he realized the Yanks money won the game.

The Yanks started a $7 million pitcher.
Brought in $12 million in relief.
Brought in a meager $600K in relief.
Brought $3.9 million in relief.
Brought in $3.25 million in relief.
Closed with a $10.5 million pitcher.

In essencence the Red Sox faced $37 million plus in game 7 or more then the payrolls of the D-Rays, Pirates and Jays. :blink: Yeah money did not have anything to do with it. :rolleyes: I am thankful the Sox do spend money. Get off the high horse that the Yanks win because of an exceptional farm system. They do develop players, but they buy pitchers. That is the big difference in the two teams. Their starting lineups are equal, but the extra 50 million the Yanks spend helps them bring in $37 million in game 7 and then still have 12.8 million in the bullpen. DO not be deluded like Boozer, George does not spend his money. He spends the team's money from their TV contract which is the biggest difference in baseball.

The Sox lost because of their idiot manager and when push came to shove, the Yanks could go with pitchers with 709 career wins and 283 saves versus a knuckle ball pitcher.

Bugg

10-18-2003, 10:05 AM

I didn't hear this much squaking about money when the Sawx and big-bucks NESN managed to get Pedro martinez from the cash-strapped Expos.

Again-there have always been haves and havenots. Steinbrenner puts his money on the field. And yes, having all that revenue is an advantage. But there have been times when the Mets made more money (early 70s, mid-late 80s) and still couldn't mount a run like this.

So Steinbrenner is now supposed to take his revenue paid by his fans and support a bunch of buffoons like Selig and that a-hole in Cinncinati? Now to some degree MLB is a partnership, but what you guys want-total revenue sharing-is socialism and it isn't happening.

shawn306

10-18-2003, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by PFSIKH@Oct 18 2003, 08:39 AM
Shawn

Your blind and the truth is close enough to kick your ass. The local sports radio station in here in KC lead story was the Yank/Sox game. After the guy got done slamming Grady Littlebrain, a clever nickname I think he realized the Yanks money won the game.

The Yanks started a $7 million pitcher.
Brought in $12 million in relief.
Brought in a meager $600K in relief.
Brought $3.9 million in relief.
Brought in $3.25 million in relief.
Closed with a $10.5 million pitcher.

In essencence the Red Sox faced $37 million plus in game 7 or more then the payrolls of the D-Rays, Pirates and Jays. :blink: Yeah money did not have anything to do with it. :rolleyes: I am thankful the Sox do spend money. Get off the high horse that the Yanks win because of an exceptional farm system. They do develop players, but they buy pitchers. That is the big difference in the two teams. Their starting lineups are equal, but the extra 50 million the Yanks spend helps them bring in $37 million in game 7 and then still have 12.8 million in the bullpen. DO not be deluded like Boozer, George does not spend his money. He spends the team's money from their TV contract which is the biggest difference in baseball.

The Sox lost because of their idiot manager and when push came to shove, the Yanks could go with pitchers with 709 career wins and 283 saves versus a knuckle ball pitcher.
Do you know what would have happened if the Sox won and I came in with the arguement "Well the Sox won cause they put a 17 million dollar a year pitcher on the mound in game 7"

I would have been laughed right out of the building.

You know better. If this had been the Yankees vs Royals and Boone homered off Darrell May to win the series your arguement holds more water. The Sox payroll is well over 100 million dollars brought.

Teams like the Royals, Expos, I won't argue it.
Teams like the Pirates, Tigers, D-Rays, Brewers who spend NO MONEY deserve what they get. (If you also notice three of those teams have brand new stadiums paid by the taxpayers.)

Teams like Minnesota, Oakland, Florida and Anaheim (last year at least) that build their teams the way it should be built. Great job.

Nobody here gripes about the Braves. Bring in guys like Sheffield 11 mill) , or Castilla (5 mill) and keep their talent Chipper (13 Mill), Maddux 13 mill smoltz (nearly 11 mill) Andreu Jones 12 mill Why is that.

Could it be cause the Braves win only one World Series ? they are in the playoffs every year. How baseball fans don't gripe about the Braves ?

If the yankees payroll were 180 million and they were losing like the Mets you guys would be laughing yankee fans out of the building.

Don't take away from what was the best LCS since probably the 80 phillies astros series. Go out next year get another big starter to go with Lowe and Pedro and let's do it again next year

PFSIKH

10-18-2003, 01:38 PM

Bugg
Repeat after me. It is not his money. It is the Yankees money. They generate $240 million a year. George is not spending anything on the Yankees.

Shawn
As I said before, I am thankful the Sox can compete (relatively speaking) with the Yanks on the economic front and are among the big spenders, but why are they big spenders? The Yankees pure and simple. Baseball has the best playoff system with only 8 of 30 teams going to the playoffs. While miracle playoff runs of barely 500 teams in other sports is nice, it is awesome that only the best in baseball advance. 5 teams that were 10 games over 500 did not even make the playoffs including a 90 win team. This forces the Sox to compete with the Yankees for the AL East pennant and then only guranteed playoff slot. Yes, the Sox could bank their TV and ticket money and try to take the noble econmic high road and say only spend 80 million a year, but the only thing that would accomplish is that the Yanks would go practically uncontested to the WS. They gave them a dog fight with a 100 million payroll, but when push comes to shove Grady did not have the benefit of going to a 12 million dollar starter to bail out a 7 million starter and close with a 10 million closer. He had to goto a 1.85 million reliever and 4 million starter. Not that Grady would have the sense to pull a struggling pitcher if he had the weapons. :rolleyes:

If they had a 100/50 salary cap the game would be a more competitive, but the great teams would also be gone like the NFL. Do you want runs like the Patriots were teams come out of nowhere or a team everybody can hate?

Honestly, I think MLB can stay as is, but they need to implement a foreign draft or incorparate them into the regular draft so the Matsui's of the world can not hand pick their teams.

Bugg

10-18-2003, 02:21 PM

PFSIKH-

The Sawx are part of a media company which has NESN(which is ad income that never hits their books) and a little publishing outfit on 42nd Street called the New York Times.Unless you're ready to return Martinez to the Expos and Ramirez to the Indians, you aren't even half serious.

Let's stop all the whining. Yes, the Yanks money helps. Should they give it away to profligate idiots like the Pirates, Tigers, Reds, Brewers, Rays, Orioles and so on, who have no intention of putting their money on the field? If they almost had strike last year, why didn't Selig put in a floor as well as a ceiling/cap threshold?So these cheapskates could still strut around and call themsleves big league owners?

It IS Steinbrenner's money. He bought the team for a song in a wise investment back in 1973. This is, after all, America, and we reward that kind of shrewd business plan. Oh, I forgot-in Taxachussets, once you make your money (say, when the family business is in bootlegging and stock swindles like the respectable Senator Edward M. Kennedy Drunk-Mass.) you all pretend America is only kidding about everyone getting a chance to make a living and everyone gets paid in thank you notes and nuts and berries, right?

The Yankees are playing by the rules. This whole system was set up to puta drag, how ever small, on them. And they're following it. Stop me from crying that some teams don't have a chance. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.And no one held a gun to anyone's head to keep a team in Montreal or to expand to Tampa or keep Pittsburgh and Detroit in the big leagues. Just fold the nonhackers and get over it if that's the big problem. It's not Steinbrenner's fault that the Pirates, Rays, Expos, Tigers and Brewers are run by idiots. Three of those teams-Brewers, Tigers(who are an afterthought to Mike Ilitch) and Pirates- have also proved that a new stadium doens't solve a damn thing if the product on the filed is still run by imbeciles. If the Pirates are so awful on the balance sheet that they have to deal Brian Giles, they have no business having a National League franchise.

shawn306

10-18-2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by PFSIKH@Oct 18 2003, 01:38 PM
Bugg
Repeat after me. It is not his money. It is the Yankees money. They generate $240 million a year. George is not spending anything on the Yankees.

Shawn
As I said before, I am thankful the Sox can compete (relatively speaking) with the Yanks on the economic front and are among the big spenders, but why are they big spenders? The Yankees pure and simple. Baseball has the best playoff system with only 8 of 30 teams going to the playoffs. While miracle playoff runs of barely 500 teams in other sports is nice, it is awesome that only the best in baseball advance. 5 teams that were 10 games over 500 did not even make the playoffs including a 90 win team. This forces the Sox to compete with the Yankees for the AL East pennant and then only guranteed playoff slot. Yes, the Sox could bank their TV and ticket money and try to take the noble econmic high road and say only spend 80 million a year, but the only thing that would accomplish is that the Yanks would go practically uncontested to the WS. They gave them a dog fight with a 100 million payroll, but when push comes to shove Grady did not have the benefit of going to a 12 million dollar starter to bail out a 7 million starter and close with a 10 million closer. He had to goto a 1.85 million reliever and 4 million starter. Not that Grady would have the sense to pull a struggling pitcher if he had the weapons. :rolleyes:

If they had a 100/50 salary cap the game would be a more competitive, but the great teams would also be gone like the NFL. Do you want runs like the Patriots were teams come out of nowhere or a team everybody can hate?

Honestly, I think MLB can stay as is, but they need to implement a foreign draft or incorparate them into the regular draft so the Matsui's of the world can not hand pick their teams.
Here is the problem I have with your arguements.

1) I would bet you not one Sox fan was worrying about Yankees payroll when the Sox beat Mussina twice in the series.

2) I would also bet you not one Sox fan was worrying about the Yankees payroll when Ortiz took Wells deep in the 8th to make it a 5-2 game.

3) I would bet you most of the Sox fans were dancing in the streets and wondering how great it was going to feel to finally beat the Yankees.

We know how it turned out though. Now though it is suddenly the Yankees payroll ?

Sorry that sounds like an excuse.

Were you thinking about the incredible difference is salary when the Sox were beating Oakland ? I bet you weren't ?

The difference between the Yanks and Sox in this series was one thing and one thing only.

Mariano Rivera

You remember him. He is the one our little buddy Jet/Bosox said was on the downside of his career. He is the one answer that the Yankees have that no one else has. If the Sox have Mariano do you think Grady even asks Pedro how he feels ? No, he says Pedro give me the ball. It is the one FATAL flaw in Theo plan this year. He went out and got the Sox one of the greatest hitting teams of all time but he neglected the bullpen and he paid dearly for it. Next year maybe he gets that big closer.

Let me ask you this. Should the Marlins win the World Series what will that tell you ? You would have Anaheim who was a lower payroll team and the Marlins a lower payroll team winning back to back and maybe just maybe some of these other teams should take a look at what they are doing.

PFSIKH

10-19-2003, 09:44 AM

Bugg,

Yes, it is Steinbrenner's money that bought the team, but it is the team's money that is spent today. George might sign the check, but nothing is coming out of his pocket. Let's stop putting George up on this pedestal that he bravely puts his own money into the payroll. He does not. Yes, he made a wise investment and does take that TV contract money and re-invests it on the team. Both wise moves.

Selig did not do anything because he is weak and the owners (all of them) have the anti-trust exemption and this prevents them from opening their books to the players union. As I said before the only thing baseball does right is the playoffs.

Shawn

Point 1 and 2) No we were worrying when we had to trot out 39 yo 5 plus ERA Burkett to win a crucial games for us in both the ALDS and ALCS. Plus we were worried when we have to bring in a knuckle ball pitcher to start 2 games and keep us in another instead of a 12 million dollar starter. As I said above, the difference in the two teams is the pitching and that is where the extra millions are spent. That is why the Yanks have seven starting pitchers.

The difference in the series was the coach on the bench. As bad the bullpen was this season, it was that good in the post season with Timlin 0.00 ERA 9.2 IP, Embree 1-0 0.00 ERA 6.2 IP, Arroyo 2.70 ERA 3.1 IP and Williamson 2-0 1.13 ERA 8 IP 3 SVs. No the idiot coach actually had the weapons to keep the Yanks at bay and made the wrong decision.

Angels/Marlin scenarios
As I said above, the Sox do not have the opportunity to devlop players slowly. We have to compete with the Yanks for the one guranteed playoff spot in the division. Finishing second int he AL East is not a guranted a the second wildcard. First time it has happened in 5 years.