Jets finally have two QB's who can play... Sanchez is #1 and Tebow #2 with the abilty to add wrinkles to the off. Got to like the idea of Tebow on a 4 and 1 from our own 40... Try defending that straight up...
Oh, I don't doubt one bit that he walked into an awesome situation in '09. What I disagree with when it comes to your viewpoint and mine is:
Tanny's offensive personnel moves in 2006-2008 versus 2009-2011:
- Tannenbaum has been here for 6 full seasons. Let's look at the moves he's made on the offensive side of the football in his first three years (leading up to Sanchez) compared to his last three years, Sanchez's first three in the league. Convince me that Tannenbaum has done a good job of evaluating offensive talent around Sanchez since Sanchez was drafted. I'm leaving out drafted and FA QBs since this is an argument based on talent around the QB.
Draft Picks & Notable Free Agents 2006-2008
D'Brickashaw Ferguson ('06 draft)
Nick Mangold ('06 draft)
Brad Smith ('06 draft)
Leon Washington ('06 draft)
Kevan Barlow ('06 FA)
Jacob Bender ('07 draft)
Chansi Stuckey ('07 draft)
Thomas Jones ('07 FA)
Dustin Keller ('08 draft)
Marcus Henry ('08 draft)
Nate Garner ('08 draft)
Damien Woody ('08 FA)
Alan Faneca ('08 FA)
Wayne Hunter ('08 FA)
Tony Richardson ('08 FA)
Draft Picks and Notable Free Agents 2009-2011
Shonn Greene ('09 draft)
Matt Slauson ('09 draft)
Ben Hartsock ('09 FA)
Braylon Edwards ('09 trade)
Vlad Ducasse ('10 draft)
Joe McKnight ('10 draft)
John Conner ('10 draft)
LaDainian Tomlinson ('10 FA)
Santonio Holmes ('10 trade)
Bilal Powell ('11 draft)
Jeremy Kerley ('11 draft)
Scotty McKnight ('11 draft)
Plaxico Burress ('11 FA)
Derrick Mason ('11 FA)
Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that the second list in any way stacks up to the top list?
What I see is completely fecklessness when it comes to maintaining the offensive line... exhausting only two draft picks in the last three years on the OL is unacceptable, especially when only one of them was taken in the first three rounds. The other was solid value but he was still a 6th rounder and is a replacement level starter. That pales in comparison to the 2 long term starters, one an above average and one an All-Pro, plus the two quality vets in Fanceca/Woody from the first three years. The result? You're left with a journeyman swing tackle as your starter for back to back years. The best front offices continue to fortify their OLs even when they're performing at a high level. If you don't keep your eye on the ball, it comes back to bite you in the ass. Tanny has let this happen twice -- 2007 and 2011. Unacceptable.
The constant juggling of the receiving corps has been discussed ad nauseam.
The RB evaluation has been sub-par in the last three years. Granted some of these guys need more time, but at this point I have little faith in Bilal Powell even becoming a third down back. Thomas Jones, who was acquired in Tanny's first half of his GM stint, gave the Jets two Pro Bowl caliber seasons. We got one solid year out of Tomlinson, but Greene, McKnight, and Powell have done little to show they can come close to stacking up with Jones's productivity.
I'd love to hear your thoughts. The Jets set the scene nicely to let Sanchez come in and play in 2009, but it is as if they thought all the work was done then and there and don't have to do anything to keep it a well-oiled machine or allow their QB to continuously grow. And please, I don't want to hear your unfounded argument that a QB is ready to take complete control of a team by year three. The examples of that are very few and far between.
You're right. It is Sanchez AND Tebow, for now, but things will likely change throughout the course of the season, one way or another.
I agree that we've jumbled the receiving corps over the past two years. I was firmly against the Burress signing from day one. But let's not act like we didn't give Sanchez some help here. In his first two years we traded for Braylon and a Superbowl MVP in Holmes. Now we just drafted an ultra-talented, albeit raw, physical freak in Stephen Hill. The position definitely hasn't been neglected by our front office since Sanchez took over the reigns. Some of the moves just haven't panned out (Burress in particular).
The bottom line is that from day one, Sanchez was placed in a situation that the majority of young QB's could only dream of. Most of these guys are drafted by teams with a swiss cheese OL and little offensive weapons to speak of. Hell, just look at Sam Bradford for a prime example. Can anyone even name a worthwhile player on that offense besides Steven Jackson?
And I've never said that Sanchez should be carrying this team on his back week in and week out by year 3. I don't think he's the kind of player who will ever be the focal point of his teams offense. I hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it. What I expected out of Sanchez last year was to become a more efficient QB. Improve his accuracy and cut down on the stupid mistakes and turnovers. Instead, he continued his extremely erratic play and turned the ball over more than any other player in the AFC.
Great (and even good) QB's don't need their entire offense to be firing on all cylinders to perform at a halfway decent level. Unless our entire offensive unit is red hot, Sanchez looks lost out there.
Either he steps up in a big way this season and proves that he has what it takes to be a franchise QB, or he'll be competing for a starting job elsewhere next season. The free passes have officially run out.
The #1 and #2 receivers were the exact same from 2006-2008. Heading into 2012, this will be the FOURTH straight year where the #1 and #2 receivers will be a different combination.
I never said it was neglected, that was the OL I was talking about (that you conveniently avoided to answer). My criticism has been that there's been no attempt at continuity. Perhaps that won't be the case in 2013, but perhaps Tannenbaum won't even be our GM in '13.
Speaking of the OL, do you care to respond to my assessment of Tannenbaum's handling of the position group? Or maybe it just doesn't fit your argument?
If you think that the offensive personnel in 2011 and now is anything compared to that from 2008-2009, we must be seeing an entirely different thing here.
And if we're comparing our talent evaluation and success to the Rams, who have won a grand total of 15 games in the last 5 seasons, then we've got bigger fish to fry.
The extension they gave Sanchez was to clear cap space, spread out his salary...
With that said, does this sound like a team that 100% believes in their QB?
Are you kidding me?