Rex wanted Coples and personally worked him out. The jets scouts liked jones more but Rex felt he was too light and wouldn't hold up vs the run. Coples had a bigger body and he felt he would fit his D better.
It was also reported that bradway loved Russell Wilson but I'm not sure if or where he was on our draft board. Rex also personally picked Connor who is now out the NFL. The point is Rex is terrible at evaluating talent, you combine that with Tanny who sucks too, and there is the problem.
Rex also handpicked Tony Morono so his ability to put together a coaching staff is up for debate too.
Regardless of who gives their input, the draft, good or bad is a reflection of the GM. What no one talks about is that the GM has gone against the scouting department's recommendation on more than one occasion. This includes taking Coples over Ingram and Jones.
Its not the GMs job to follows orders of the HC. Its his job to listen to the scouting Dept. and the HC and then mediate a consensus on a pick. At least with the first rounder.
The biggest indictment on Tanny is the fact that we as an organization, have no depth, yet we cut half our draft class before their first NFL game this year.
A lower round draft pick has to meet one of two criteria, come in and play a role, or sit and learn to provide some depth down the road. if you can determine that the player won't fulfill either than cut him. Its OK to miss on a pick, but giving up on 4 picks before they play their first meaningful game is a failure on the front office. Cutting them and bouncing them back and forth on the practice squad is just puzzling.
1) We have had less draft picks than every other team in the last 5 years. This forces the Jets to load up on UDFA's and play in the bargain bin for post-camp cuts. For every Mike DeVito, you have 10 Donovan Warrens and Caleb Schlauderaffs.
2) We have drafted more "project" picks than nearly other team, whether they were raw coming out of college or played at a small school: Kyle Wilson, Vlad Ducasse, Muhammad Wilkerson, Kenrick Ellis, Stephen Hill, Demario Davis. All of these guys were drafted in the first three rounds!! This is borderline absurd. Sure, some pan out and have high upside, but when you draft so many of these guys, you're going to have a high percentage of busts.
These two truths prove that Tannenbaum does a horrible job of playing the percentages and weighing risk/reward and floor/ceiling. Expecting Rex to turn all these projects, way more than any team has, is a little unrealistic and foolish IMO.
And I haven't even addressed his fecklessness when it comes to replacing aging productive offensive players. High priced Faneca and Woody were surrounded by upcoming stars on the cheap like D'Brick and Mangold. Now we have high priced D'Brick and Mangold surrounded by a 6th round JAG in Slauson and another team's UDFA in Austin Howard. That blade falls on Tanny's head, not Rex's.
I'm just assuming that he's responsible for the roster. Everyone knows that Tanny is not a football man. Some coaches love to have all that responsibility, but I think Rex is ill suited for that role, and it's sapping the life out of him, and the team. He needs a GM that can take as much of the focus off Rex as possible. Preferable a rigid, organized disciplinarian in a suit, and not cargo shorts, and sandals with socks. If it's Tanny making the personnel decisions then it's no wonder we're in the state we're in.
Who defines "project"? And anyone expecting 1st yr players to come in and become all pros isnt being realistic.
Besides 7 months ago when they were selected people here were saying how the Jets stole Hill and drooling over Davis
All those picks you mentioned were selected in the rounds (give or take a round) where the pre draft experts had them graded. If they were coached properly instead of being at Club Rex there's a chance they'd be further along.
The draft isn't just Tanny. I've posted the process a million times. It's Bradways/Clinkscales (b4 he left) along with Tanny and Rex. If there isn't a consensus on the pick then Tanny has final say
All position coaches review and grade the prospective players within their positions. Not to mention all the college scouts and their reports.
It's all loaded into a database and a draft able round grade is assigned
Tanny has said he goes into each round with 5-6 players they've deemed are their guys for their pick. When the '11 5th round evolved the only player left of the 5-6 they wanted was Kerley so they traded up to ensure they got him.
I'd like to hear from the NFL scouts their take on the difference between a 6th/7th rounder and an UDFA. I bet it isn't much.
But the football side of things all rolls up under Tanny. So he does deserve blame for the crap product we are seeing. But no way in hell does Rex get any pass. The blade falls on him too.