However, there have been a few rookie WRs making impacts recently such as AJ Green, Julio Jones, Dez to an extent etc etc.
This situation is different IMO because Hill is coming from a program that didn't throw the ball so there adjustments to be made. He has all the upside we could ask for. Not sure how to feel about our WRs coach either....but Hill I like as a prospect long term.
Unless you guys know play book don't see how anyone could claim he was running his routes wrong .. And the one play Sanchez missed it clearly look like mark was saying my fault..
Some jets fan always gotta make themselves look like idiots.. He is bust after 12 games lmao
In case you didnt notice after your 9000 posts, this is a board that is going to discuss every single detail of the NYJ, as designed. The poster said that HIll IMPROVED, that he didnt have any drops and used his hands instead of his body. Basically a spot on analysis for a player who has struggled.
To say he "sucks" means you are yet another fan who has no clue that the NFL is actually HARD. Ask everyone who thought that wilkerson sucked last year how he is doing now that he has learned the pro game...the answer is DOMINANT.
Hill was drafted as a developmental player that unfortunately had to play a lot this year. The prospect he most comapres to is Demaryious Thomas who had 22 and 32 catches each of his first 2 years and now has 69 for 1100 so far this year. The answer to how good he is will come in 2014...but dont let rational analysis get in the way of your solid opinion
And lets keep in mind who was throwing to him this year. If Manning was his qb what would his numbers be?
I think he was a good value pick in second round.. He has all the physical tools..... I think he's going to be a fine player.. just needs to be on field and contine to develop. you can't teach size and speed.. He's got both..
I think Kerley and Hilll represent a decent core of young talent.. Holmes isn't going anywhere..
How about I live in the present. And the present says that he sucks.
And in case you didn't notice, the OP said he played a good game. Other people, like Vin, said they liked that he showed IMPROVEMENT. There is a difference. I said, he hasn't played a good game, which he didn't based on the reasons I gave. People are excited because his improvement is basically him not dropping every pass that comes his way. They would be right, that IS improvement. And if that's what makes you happy then have at it. I can't imagine the glee you got from watching Gholston actually make a tackle in a game since that would have been a sign of improvement as well.
When improvement equates to a player having a game where they didn't completely sh!t their pants... I wouldn't be calling out a poster that refuses to join the giggle party.
As of today Hill sucks. Alot. I never said he couldn't get better. In fact I said the opposite. But the odds are heavily stacked against him, as they always were based on his draft analysis. Limited college experience playing a traditional WR position with limited route knowledge. You can have reason for optimism. But don't poopoo on someone for being pessimistic. The kid is a project WR. There odds of him failing are 9 out of 10 based on historical data.
21 catches, 252 yards, 3 TDs.
2nd round pick.
That sucks. Of course, that's my opinion. That doesn't cut it especially when you're the #1 target since Week 5.
people who try to label Hill a bust have no clue what they're talking 'bout. how did the top notch rookie wr for the cards (Michael Floyd) do yesterday, or for that reason the entire season. i'm pretty sure Hill is having a better season.
All I will say is that many people didn't think much of Kerley after last year as well
Thomas wasn't even #3 option in his rookie year. Broncos depth chart was:
So that's hardly a good comparison.
Like I said, I'm judging this on WRs that were drafted because they had size/speed... the old "you can't teach that!" abilities. All of those except the actual ability to play WR in the NFL.
I'm not saying he can't get better. I'm saying based on how he looks right now the odds are against him. I'm certainly not gonna call it a 5 catch 40 yard receiving day a "good game" even if it was for his standards. It was improvement. If he gets better I have no problem admitting how impressed I am at his improvement, trust me. However, to call me out for thinking he sucks is BS.
Plus the denver roster and our roster have no basis in the comparison....it just shows that they didnt depend on thomas and we have been forced to depend on hill.
Lastly, he wasnt drafted on his combine performance. He is a non-diva Wr, who blocks, works hard and has big play ability, he simply wasnt given opportunities in college.
However, you want to make an apples to apples comparison? Fine.
Demaryius Thomas - Sr season at GT: 82 receptions, 1,234 yards (lol that's kind of funny), 10 TDs.
Stephen Hill - Jr season at GT: 28 receptions, 820 yards, 5 TDs.
That's not the same type of player at all. There is no comparison.
Let's compare Demaryius Thomas and Stephen Hill since:
- both played at the same school
- both were seen as undeveloped players with raw physical talent
- Hill has played 10 games and Thomas only played 10 games his rookie year
Thomas: 22 receptions, 283 yards (12.9 YPR); 2 TDs
- Best game: 8 receptions, 97 yds, TD
- Longest reception: 31 yds
Hill: 21 receptions, 252 yds (12.0 YPR); 3 TDs
- Best game: 5 receptions, 89 yds, 2 TD
- Longest reception: 33 yds
Pretty similar to me. You can also do dumb "take out the one game and..." argument for Thomas. Taking away that game would have left him with 14 receptions, 186 yards, and 1 TD. Doing that for Hill would have him at 16 receptions, 163 yards, 1 TD.
The bottom line is that a unpolished rookie WR is going to be inconsistent, regardless of what his physical tools are. With Hill's tools and work ethic, I'm cautiously optimistic.