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jets5ever · 11-20-2003, 11:49 AM

[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 20 2003, 11:38 AM
[b] 5ever you need perspective. terrorists get created everyday. Its not like there are X number of terrorists and when Bush finds them all the war will be over. The logistics in fighting a war on terror dictate that the country waging war are going to be overwhelmed by sheer numbers on their way to absolute victory. To use a metaphor its like running around your kitchen taking on vermin with your shoe. Yeah you might get one or two. And you might slip and break your ass trying.

Rather than DIRECTLY hunting terrorists the nation needs to deal with these people by considering the ROOT of the problem. TO extend the metaphor how do you get rid of vermin in your kitchen? Well first off you figure out how they are getting in, and close that down ([b]BORDERS[/b]) Secondly you figure out what they are living on and clean that mess up ([b]their motivation[/b]).

This last part bears further explanation. Think about it, what would make a person so Angry at a nation that they would kill themselves to hurt it? that is the highest level of motivation. To forward their agenda they would actually end their life in protest. Here in the US people sniff and cry at the mere mention of a MPG cap, forget about self-sacrifice. Think about that for a second. Why would terrorists hate the US so much that they would kill themselves? and no Its not cause they are brainwashed by the Koran.

This s**t has been going on alot longer than decades. Try centuries. This is just another chapter in the crusades.

Bottom line, pull out of the middle east and terrorism would virtually stop. The longer we fight it through the conventional means the more lives, funds will be wasted.

George Bush is not a hero. He's just another Angry American who is too stubborn to see the forest for the trees. [/b][/quote]
I COMPLETELY and PASSIONATELY disagree.

The Koran, or, rather, manipulation of the Koran can and does make people that Angry. What was Atta Angry, if not for religion? He was a well-off, highly educated man with no real gripes. OBL was loaded too. This root cause stuff is just academic clap-trap, IMO.

What would your response be if more 9-11 attacks occurred on our soil? Seriously - if you knew who did it and where they were centralized. What would you do?

Yes, borders should be tightened at home. Agreed. Illegal immigrants should ALL be deported (I am extrpolating that you'd agree with this).

Another 'chapter' in the Crusades?? Seriously, you don't think things are this simple or that it all started with the Crusades? Look, Muslims have been butchering Jews, Indians and Christians for a lond time - their entire religion is founded on a military conquest and Mohammed himself slaughtered people. I am not playing the blame game, Christians have their warts too. But your notion that terrorism would virtually stop
is nothing but naked opinion with no possible support for it besides half-assed analogies, frankly.

Your dismissal on the influence of radical Islam to terrorism is astounding dude. I guess the term "infidels" meains nothing in this context - it's all a legitimate gripe against the evil USA.

DO you know why Americans, Angry Americans who hate this or that don't blow themselves up - because they are not radical Muslims!!!! Talk about failing to see the forest for the trees - you cling to this isolationist argument as if it is true by virtue of your belief in it.

Seriously - what if we pull out and terrorism DOESN'T stop? Your hypothosis is ruined, completely shattered. WHAT DO YOU DO THEN?

11-20-2003, 11:49 AM	#6
jets5ever Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 11,692	[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 20 2003, 11:38 AM [b] 5ever you need perspective. terrorists get created everyday. Its not like there are X number of terrorists and when Bush finds them all the war will be over. The logistics in fighting a war on terror dictate that the country waging war are going to be overwhelmed by sheer numbers on their way to absolute victory. To use a metaphor its like running around your kitchen taking on vermin with your shoe. Yeah you might get one or two. And you might slip and break your ass trying. Rather than DIRECTLY hunting terrorists the nation needs to deal with these people by considering the ROOT of the problem. TO extend the metaphor how do you get rid of vermin in your kitchen? Well first off you figure out how they are getting in, and close that down ([b]BORDERS[/b]) Secondly you figure out what they are living on and clean that mess up ([b]their motivation[/b]). This last part bears further explanation. Think about it, what would make a person so Angry at a nation that they would kill themselves to hurt it? that is the highest level of motivation. To forward their agenda they would actually end their life in protest. Here in the US people sniff and cry at the mere mention of a MPG cap, forget about self-sacrifice. Think about that for a second. Why would terrorists hate the US so much that they would kill themselves? and no Its not cause they are brainwashed by the Koran. This s**t has been going on alot longer than decades. Try centuries. This is just another chapter in the crusades. Bottom line, pull out of the middle east and terrorism would virtually stop. The longer we fight it through the conventional means the more lives, funds will be wasted. George Bush is not a hero. He's just another Angry American who is too stubborn to see the forest for the trees. [/b][/quote] I COMPLETELY and PASSIONATELY disagree. The Koran, or, rather, manipulation of the Koran can and does make people that Angry. What was Atta Angry, if not for religion? He was a well-off, highly educated man with no real gripes. OBL was loaded too. This root cause stuff is just academic clap-trap, IMO. What would your response be if more 9-11 attacks occurred on our soil? Seriously - if you knew who did it and where they were centralized. What would you do? Yes, borders should be tightened at home. Agreed. Illegal immigrants should ALL be deported (I am extrpolating that you'd agree with this). Another 'chapter' in the Crusades?? Seriously, you don't think things are this simple or that it all started with the Crusades? Look, Muslims have been butchering Jews, Indians and Christians for a lond time - their entire religion is founded on a military conquest and Mohammed himself slaughtered people. I am not playing the blame game, Christians have their warts too. But your notion that terrorism would virtually stop is nothing but naked opinion with no possible support for it besides half-assed analogies, frankly. Your dismissal on the influence of radical Islam to terrorism is astounding dude. I guess the term "infidels" meains nothing in this context - it's all a legitimate gripe against the evil USA. DO you know why Americans, Angry Americans who hate this or that don't blow themselves up - because they are not radical Muslims!!!! Talk about failing to see the forest for the trees - you cling to this isolationist argument as if it is true by virtue of your belief in it. Seriously - what if we pull out and terrorism DOESN'T stop? Your hypothosis is ruined, completely shattered. WHAT DO YOU DO THEN?