[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti+Nov 20 2003, 01:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (bitonti @ Nov 20 2003, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--jets5ever[/i]@Nov 20 2003, 02:23 PM
[b] Bitonti - YOU are (or seem like) a ditto-head. Instead of agreeing or defending America at every turn, you smiply blame it at every turn. What's the difference there?? [/b][/quote]
you want to take the argument away from facts and toward an analysis of the character of the participants (for the thousandth time)- you want to pidgeonhole me?
fine mark me down as a realist. My god is truth.
if you dare, honestly answer these question:
does the US prop up dictatorships as it suits its agenda in terrorist hotbeds like Saudi and Pakistan?
who trained and armed Bin Ladin?
what is, who is in The Carlyle Group?
yeah yeah yeah i know marginalize me as some conspiracy theorist. But there is truth and there is what's in the news.
the fact of the matter is i love my country, i would die for this country its the greatest in the world. hey and im down with the old boys club and can even morally agree with war for oil. What i can't agree with are the lies that frame the conflict.
this has nothing to do with any hatred or self-loathing. Im just calling it like it is. [/b][/quote]
Take things completely out of context, that what you always do!
You keep talking about truth yet "truth" to you is whatever flights of fancy your imagination happens to take. You are a conspiracy theorist and don't even know it.
Yeah - letting the Soviets get a foothold in the ME would have been a great, awesome thing for the world and America. We did train and arm Afans and OBL was one of them and he helped quash a Soviet invasion. I am sure you would have been the first to enlist had the USA sent over troops enmass to protect Afganistan rather than train locals to fight. Sure you would have. :blink: You wouldn't have even protested that war, either.
The Caryle Group is an investment firm. What is your point?
Yes, the USA props up dictatorships as it suits it agenda, which is most of the time allowing the lesser of two evils take control. As if things were always hunky-dorey for everyone over there until the USA came messing around. Muslims kill each other, often!!! Power vaccuums are worse than propping up a dictator! Not allowing the Soviet Union a foothald in that region was huge. You don't think THEY had THEIR leaders that they tried to prop up? C'mon man - things are not as simple as you make them out to be.
We left a power vacuum in Afgnistan and after the USSR fell, we stopped paying as much attention. Thatw as clearly a mistake, but it is one we should have and (IMO) have learned from. We cannot do it again!
Anyway - good show today. I look forward to hanging at Jets-Pats. I know you aren't some crazy radical - just a dude with an opinion and a keyboard, like me! Take it easy....I enjoy arguing (obviously)!