[quote][i]Originally posted by Jet Set Junta[/i]@Nov 21 2003, 02:08 PM
[b] 5ever, there is a clear legacy and history of "monkey" being used as a slander for black people; that is not the case with the word "neanderthal".
I've called people neanderthals several times in jest, for having simplistic views or being bloodthirsty for killing any and all arabs after 9/11 no matter whether or not they were responsible.
Kennedy made a dumb remark, but it was not a racist remark. Trent Lott's remarks were far more sinister with regard to "all those problems"; do you or shakin feel he got a raw deal? And in the end, it was his own party who hung him out to dry, not the "liberal media". The affair didn't become front page news until prominent NAACP people started raising hell over it.
If they aren't touching Kennedy's remarks, and you really believe that the comment is racist because less than half of the nominees were "minority" (and not even the same minority at that), blame THEM and not the media or the Democratic Party. Especially since we all know shakin would have never posted this thread at all if it weren't for SOME media out there making it a talking point for Angry conservatives and their persecution complex.
And if we really want to take this beyond partisan lines, where DO each of you stand on cases of these remarks? What should be the 'punishment'? Should they be fired from their seats, or just complained about in enough "media" and message boards for the appropriate amount of time? Because in theory if you think Kennedy was out of line you aren't sad about what happened to Lott? [/b][/quote]
Tail - if you are unwilling to admit that Kennedy was using it in a perjoratove manner than you are just a hack. Unless he really thinks they are not homo sapiens, the word means "Crude, boorish and slow witted." You lose.
The Democrats are racist towards conservative minorities and I do think that dubbing people who are pro-life as "neanderthals" is bigoted. If you don't think racist applies because x-y% of the nominees are minorities as opposed to x%, than that is your right. Also, it is very relevant that Kennedy was NOT speaking in jest. You may not think Democrats are racist towards conservative minorities, but I do. I also regard support for affirmative action as racist by definition and challenge anyone to both define racism and then defend AA as non-racist.
A neanderthal is a different species and one that it far less intelligent than ours, like monkeys or gorillas. What is the difference between calling someone a neanderthal and calling someone a monkey, in effect?? This is PRECISELY why I chose the word monkey. The history against blacks is PRECISELY why Kennedy's remarks draw a double-standard. If Frist had used the word neanderthal to describe a black nominee, the media would have freaked out, saying it harkened bask to the days when they were called monkeys, or some such nonsense. YOU KNOW THIS IS TRUE.
No, I do not think Kennedy should be penalized and no, I agree that his comments weren't racist. I am just saying that a double standard exists and that yes, democrats demonize any conservative minoritym largely for not playing ball, whic, to me, is racist..perhaps not as overt as the N-word, but racist nonetheless. The Dems clearly have a model for how they want minorities to think aboutb issues and attack any of them who are outside of that.
Trent Lott was pressured by his party and it is their fault for caving to the hysterical ramblings of the NAACP and others. The difference, however, is that the hysteria doesn't ever come up for guys like Kennedy. It's like the groping thing - NOW didn't care when Billy did it, but cared when Arnold did it. Yes - the GOP has the same double-standard on this issue too, but that still doesn't mean the other one doesn't exist.
What were Lott's exact remarks? Didn't he say something like "Things would have been different?" Who knnows if they were sinister remarks or not? I don't know. This culture is much to quick to shout "racist!" and it is predominantly when only when conservatives do it that an outcry ensues. That Cruz Bustamante guy used the N-word in public in 2001 - did YOU hear about that in the California election?