[QUOTE=Black Death;2210993]a degenerate war was one where civilians were deliberately targetted.
In ancient wars the killing of civilians was rare [/QUOTE]
I'm sorry BD, but that is a horribly inaccurate crock of Poo my friend. Throughout History Civilians paid the price for War, both in terms of being killed if in/near a Warzone, and by being enslaved, worked to death, tortured, pillaged, etc. if their little slice of ground was lost to an enemy.
Go tell all the Scots slaughtered by the English over the centuries that "Civilians being killed" is a modern invention. I think, if those long dead could talk, they'd tell you a vastly different story.
Think the Romans didn't kill Civies? Really BD, get real.