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Ven0m · 12-28-2008, 09:49 PM

[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;2938073]Well in those two awful outings he beat the Bills on the road in a game the Browns were heavily favored against and then with a broken finger couldn't play against the Texans.[/quote]

The Browns beat the Bills in spite of Quinn, not because of. You can't seriously credit him with leading his team to victory in a game where he completed 38.9% of his passes. You just can't.

He played well against Denver, and that's it.

[quote]Revis is just another corner without a pass rush. Enough with the man-crushes over how wonderful he is.[/quote]

So a lack of a pass rush makes him a bad selection? No, it just makes him an excellent cornerback in a defense without a pass rush.

[quote]Tanenbaum had an awful track record with free agents up until this year[/quote]

Tannenbaum didn't have a track record to speak of with free agents up until this year, because we never had the cap room to pursue elite level free agents.

If you really want to criticize him because Kimo von Oelhoffen was well, Kimo von Oelhoffen that's your buisness, but nobody should have been expecting much out of him. When you're dealing in the bargain bin you're going to end up with crap more often then not.

[quote]and you can make an argument he made some bone-headed decisions giving Faneca a ton of dough when he looks like he's done and no way is Pace worth the money the Jets gave him. Woody has a horrendous contract and is playing out of position.[/quote]

We only had the 9th ranked Rushing Offense (T-2nd by YPC which is the most important stat to me there, averaging 4.8 an attempt as a team is nothing short of excellent.) last year despite having purely an average runningback in Thomas Jones carrying the load. That's a very good run offense buddy, mainly due to the protection up front.

We were also 14th with 30 Sacks Allowed, not great, but considering we were 29th the year before in that area it's a huge improvement.

OL was the least of our problems last year, mainly thanks to the money that was spent.

[quote]You want to put Pace on the level of Demarcus Ware or Terrell Suggs? No, but he sure gets paid like those players. And it's not hindsight because I thought and said this same exact sh*t when it was done.[/quote]

He might be overpaid, but he played rather well for us, outside of the couple weeks when Harris was out where he was a little exposed in coverage. 7 sacks and 4 forced fumbles for a team that didn't know what the meaning of the word blitz? I'll take it. I'd like to see what he would do in an aggressive blitzing scheme.

[quote]My basic point is that Mike T and Mangini are both linked. If you're going to get rid of one you have to get rid of the other.[/QUOTE]

Not really, they're linked in the sense that they work on the same team, but that's it.

12-28-2008, 09:49 PM	#33
Ven0m a shutdown poster Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 18,349	[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;2938073]Well in those two awful outings he beat the Bills on the road in a game the Browns were heavily favored against and then with a broken finger couldn't play against the Texans.[/quote] The Browns beat the Bills in spite of Quinn, not because of. You can't seriously credit him with leading his team to victory in a game where he completed 38.9% of his passes. You just can't. He played well against Denver, and that's it. [quote]Revis is just another corner without a pass rush. Enough with the man-crushes over how wonderful he is.[/quote] So a lack of a pass rush makes him a bad selection? No, it just makes him an excellent cornerback in a defense without a pass rush. [quote]Tanenbaum had an awful track record with free agents up until this year[/quote] Tannenbaum didn't have a track record to speak of with free agents up until this year, because we never had the cap room to pursue elite level free agents. If you really want to criticize him because Kimo von Oelhoffen was well, Kimo von Oelhoffen that's your buisness, but nobody should have been expecting much out of him. When you're dealing in the bargain bin you're going to end up with crap more often then not. [quote]and you can make an argument he made some bone-headed decisions giving Faneca a ton of dough when he looks like he's done and no way is Pace worth the money the Jets gave him. Woody has a horrendous contract and is playing out of position.[/quote] We only had the 9th ranked Rushing Offense (T-2nd by YPC which is the most important stat to me there, averaging 4.8 an attempt as a team is nothing short of excellent.) last year despite having purely an average runningback in Thomas Jones carrying the load. That's a very good run offense buddy, mainly due to the protection up front. We were also 14th with 30 Sacks Allowed, not great, but considering we were 29th the year before in that area it's a huge improvement. OL was the least of our problems last year, mainly thanks to the money that was spent. [quote]You want to put Pace on the level of Demarcus Ware or Terrell Suggs? No, but he sure gets paid like those players. And it's not hindsight because I thought and said this same exact sh*t when it was done.[/quote] He might be overpaid, but he played rather well for us, outside of the couple weeks when Harris was out where he was a little exposed in coverage. 7 sacks and 4 forced fumbles for a team that didn't know what the meaning of the word blitz? I'll take it. I'd like to see what he would do in an aggressive blitzing scheme. [quote]My basic point is that Mike T and Mangini are both linked. If you're going to get rid of one you have to get rid of the other.[/QUOTE] Not really, they're linked in the sense that they work on the same team, but that's it.