[QUOTE=SenorGato;3429928]So...Scott/Harris alone isn't a massive improvement over starting Bowens/Barton/injured Harris for 7+ games each?
Leonhard isn't almost infinitely better than Elam?
That's why I said massively improved. Where we upgraded was upgraded immensely. This roster didn't need a 60% overhaul.
David Harris played a significant part of the 2008 season (He started in 11 games!). So just how "massive" is that FIVE GAMES difference between 2008 and 2009 again? Please bear in mind that "massive" is your choice of words, not mine. While Bart Scott has given the defense a lift and some memorale moments he has also disappeared for long stretches spanning several games at times. We got what we paid for...maybe. We paid NFL top dollar and got our 2nd best ILB.
The change in coaching is a far more reasonable conclusion to draw than the one you are coming to in a desperate defense of a multi year dog of a failure.
Again, Rex turned the entire world upside down by and large almost completely with the players he inherited from Eric Mangini. He did it in 6 months. Schottenehimer has not managed that trick in four years.
Leonard is a nice player but let's get real here. "Infinitely better"??? Give me a break already. Hyperbole much?
[quote]We were dinking and dunking with Favre? There were no medium/deep routes with both Keller (especially), Cotchery, and Stuckey? No medium and deep routes with Edwards this year? No screens with Leons over the past 4 years?
And how're we supposed to be unpredictable on first down with a rookie QB and the top rushing offense in the league? Then if we pass on first down it's not the correct pass to you people and there's b*tching anyway.
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You expected better than the 17th ranked offense this year? What did you expect? Did they go down when we lost Leon, or did you do what most here do and not even consider the injury? Is the Bengals OC an idiot since he also has a top running game but a middling offense and mediocre QB performance? Or is Carson Palmer just not playing like Carson Palmer?[/quote]
**gong** I expected to see a Schottenehimer offense this year, so no, I did not expect to see much better than the crap we have been seeing.
The Jets lost Leon Washinton in game seven, basically a game short of half way through the entire season. Leon's numbers were significantly down from the year before. His touches were up but his impact plays were pretty much nonexistent and all his averages were down. He was on track for around 800-900 yards, so I do not know what fairy tale land you are living in but it is far from the real world if you are claiming that losing Leon from game-8 onward was the reason Schotty's offense sucked again this year..
As a matter of interest, when were we going to be seeing all of this Leon anyway given that you are offering his absence as such a huge factor for Shottenheimer's failures? Let me guess. I'll just bet that he was going to be turning on the after-burners starting in the 2nd half of the Raiders game eh? If not for the injury, Leon was ready to dominate.
Please bear in mind that Schottenheimer was gifted the best offensive line in the NFL or damn near it. He was bought two very high priced free agents (Faneca and Woody) and provided with two extremely good first round picks. He was gifted with a solid running back in Thomas Jones and veteran QB play for two of his four years. The offensive line has been remarkably healthy for the last three years. Next year will be his fifth year in complete charge of the offense and we haven't had a top-5 or a top-10 or even a top half of the NFL offensive unit yet. Next year will be half a decade. How long before any of this mediocrity sticks to one constant throughout the entire campaign?