[QUOTE]David Harris played a significant part of the 2008 season (He started in 11 games!). So just how "massive" is that FIVE GAMES difference between 2008 and 2009 again? Please bear in mind that "massive" is your choice of words, not mine. While Bart Scott has given the defense a lift and some memorale moments he has also disappeared for long stretches spanning several games at times. We got what we paid for...maybe. We paid NFL top dollar and got our 2nd best ILB.[/QUOTE]
Dude, the guy (Harris) had groin surgery in the middle of last season. Short memory? If you watched any of 2008 then you'd see how much less effective Harris looked last year.
[QUOTE]The change in coaching is a far more reasonable conclusion to draw than the one you are coming to in a desperate defense of a multi year dog of a failure.[/QUOTE]
Well yea, if you forget the Harris situation and ignore replacing our two worst starters on D. Not to mention another year on the young vets like Harris, Revis, and DeVito.
[QUOTE]Again, Rex turned the entire world upside down by and large almost completely with the players he inherited from Eric Mangini. He did it in 6 months. Schottenehimer has not managed that trick in four years.[/QUOTE]
Rookie QBs on Rexs D...oh, there are none. That's right, I forgot that. And our D wasn't exactly sh*tting the bed for most of last season.
[QUOTE]Leonard is a nice player but let's get real here. "Infinitely better"??? Give me a break already. Hyperbole much?[/QUOTE]
Fine. Worlds better than Elam. At least Leonhard can be half competent in pass coverage. As if hyperbole isn't a major part of your argument..."never run a screen" and "zomg 5 years is forever"...
[QUOTE]**gong** I expected to see a Schottenehimer offense this year, so no, I did not expect to see much better than the crap we have been seeing.[/QUOTE]
Yea, the crap that's leaving us with a chance to win 9 games and go to the playoffs with a rookie QB.
Mind you, this offense ranks similarly to the '06 one that had a veteran QB leading it.
[QUOTE]The Jets lost Leon Washinton in game seven, basically a game short of half way through the entire season. Leon's numbers were significantly down from the year before. His touches were up but his impact plays were pretty much nonexistent and all his averages were down. He was on track for around 800-900 yards, so I do not know what fairy tale land you are living in but it is far from the real world if you are claiming that losing Leon from game-8 onward was the reason Schotty's offense sucked again this year.. [/QUOTE]
Leon's #s were down? He was on pace for his most carries, his best rushing season, 30+ receptions for over 260 yards, and whatever he'd contribute on STs. That would have best statistical season, even if you choose to hold Leon's lack of TDs against Schottenheimer for whatever reason....and who knows how many he actually would have scored by the end of the season anyway.
Also, I'm really annoyed at how much these experts on JI ignore the STs aspect of Leon Washington. Those 800-900 yards (he was actually on pace to surpass 900 on offense, but w/e) don't include his returning numbers.
[QUOTE]As a matter of interest, when were we going to be seeing all of this Leon anyway given that you are offering his absence as such a huge factor for Shottenheimer's failures? Let me guess. I'll just bet that he was going to be turning on the after-burners starting in the 2nd half of the Raiders game eh? If not for the injury, Leon was ready to dominate.[/QUOTE]
Schottenheimer's failures? Dude we have the 17th best offense in the league with a rookie who's turned the ball 20+ times at the QB position. Again, we're doing better than the Bengals on offense and they have Carson friggin Palmer QB'ing them.
[QUOTE]Please bear in mind that Schottenheimer was gifted the best offensive line in the NFL or damn near it. He was bought two very high priced free agents (Faneca and Woody) and provided with two extremely good first round picks. He was gifted with a solid running back in Thomas Jones and veteran QB play for two of his four years. The offensive line has been remarkably healthy for the last three years. Next year will be his fifth year in complete charge of the offense and we haven't had a top-5 or a top-10 or even a top half of the NFL offensive unit yet. Next year will be half a decade. How long before any of this mediocrity sticks to one constant throughout the entire campaign?
OK...and with the top OL we've got the best running game in the league. WTF are you b*tching about?
And last year we ranked 9th in points scored...so there goes that part. I also don't get why you seem to think 5 years is such a long time.
BTW: Thanks for answering 0 of my questions. I realize the anti-Schotty crowd assumes their correctness and therefore assumes they don't have to answer to us idiots who think differently, but it would have helped you considering how much you seem to have forgotten or just chose to ignore. Where should an offense run by a rookie QB rank?
Last edited by SenorGato; 01-02-2010 at 05:50 PM.