[QUOTE=Traitor Jay & the Woodies;3531892]who exactly are you chastising here exactly? and for someone so bored with the conversation, you seem to only add fuel to the fire.
it seems those "upset" with ancient, ancient history (like myself) are the only ones not crying about the silly coin flip. no windmill fighting here. just pointing out what should have been expected given historical trackrecord. people getting emotional are the ones who don't like the message, so they flame the messenger.
but seriously, if you're above an argument, be above the argument. the holier than thou shctick is boring too.[/QUOTE]
Well, stadium conversations start off interesting and on point until they degenerate into the same old arguments that have long been settled from the same old group of people (that's what SOJ means to me - those nattering nabobs of negativity) Unfortunately it will continue to be so unless some fortuitous combination of miraculous events exists - namely, an NM exit clause and a political / social / economic climate where the Jets can implement their visionary WSS complex with only token opposition from the usual unholy but tiny alliance of sociopaths and football-haters instead of the axis of evil that blocked the Jets this go-round. Even then we all had something to whine about from the roof, parking, loss of tailgating and other issues. (Waah, the stadium is not in the Jets "real" home of Queens/LI/NJ etc)
Being above a particularly argument doesn't mean I have to let other egregiously erroneous statements/arguments stand unopposed like they are facts set in stone. Some SOJ-ites are very content to repeat disproven "facts" ad nauseaum. Personally, I hate the revisionist history of Shea as Jets nirvana when it was obsolete and substandard from day 1, the novelty of football shoehorned into a baseball stadium wore off as time quickly took its toll and outside the single greatest football season ever, one lousy Jets season starting with weeks on the road and playing through the Mets sloppy, ripped up diamond usually blurred into another. Other than the drive home which I have long ago successfully optimized and now can happily forego w/ a train ride, GS IMO has been a football paradise, comparatively speaking. And I could walk a mile or so to Shea if I desired to back then.
We collectively spend far too much time arguing about the past and superficial issues like where a training facility is located when the present and near term future on the field, where it counts most, is as bright as it's ever been. In that context the coin flip, or lack thereof, for which team plays a in-season game 1st is trivial, especially when the Jets play a home MNF game the next day in week 1 - a "bragging right" that ultimately is as inconsequential as the Jets closing out GS being an honor-somehow that was a grave insult to the memory of Wellington Mara as some Giants fans and/or commentators contended. Its all context-MNF games "suck" and are unwatchable unless the Jets play in one with a contending team, then they are hot tickets. I for one will be excited...