Jets Insider.com Forums - View Single Post - Prepare to See the Right in a Frothy Froth of Frothyness

SafetyBlitz · 04-05-2012, 03:54 PM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4428265]Agreed.

We exerted heavy political pressure on a 30+ year ally that helped lead to his being deposed, and replaced with a Millitary Dictatorship, that will be replaced by a Democraticly Elected Pro-Islamic Fundamentalist Pro-War-With-Israel Majority.

I'm fine with that btw. Their country, to do with as they wish.

[B]As long as they don't **** with us or our allies.[/B][/QUOTE]

Agreed on the bold, and that clearly is the most important thing.

Whether we supported Mubarak or not, it's likely the Egyptians would have deposed him. Lets not make it sound like we were integral in deposing him, that it was our choice. In fact, we probably supported him right up until it was unfashionable to do so.

[QUOTE=Warfish;4428265]Depends on who you're talking to.

For example, I wouldn't talk with the Third Reich.

I wouldn;t talk with Stalin's Soviet Union.

And personally, I wouldn't talk with an Islamic Fundamentalist/Terrorist State who wants to wage war on an ally of ours.

But it's for each voter to decide how they feel about our role in the changes in Egypt, why we did what we did, and what the outcome is.

I'd bet there are MANY Deocrat voters who think this is the best possible outcome for Egypt and welcome allying with the M.B. with open arms.[/QUOTE]

We have and did talk to the Soviet Union during the Cold War... a lot.

I mean are we really ready to call the Muslim Brotherhood the Third Reich? Listen I'm not defending these guys, let me be clear, but I just, you know, I just don't see how they're the Third Reich and we shouldn't be talking to them at all.

Talking to them also doesn't really imply anything, we could be saying "Hey, you f*** with Israel, you f*** with us." Meeting over. After the wikileaks scandal where we learned that we say publicly is largely what we say privately, unlike the rest of the goddam world, I wouldn't really worry so much about this.

Welcoming them with open arms. Man, what a partisan way to describe "democrat voters wants" with reality. You think as a democratic voter I even want to talk to these people that treat their women like sh*t? Of course not. But this is the real world, and part of being in the real world is talking to people that you do not like in order to not physically fight them over every difference.

04-05-2012, 03:54 PM	#8
SafetyBlitz Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,997	[QUOTE=Warfish;4428265]Agreed. We exerted heavy political pressure on a 30+ year ally that helped lead to his being deposed, and replaced with a Millitary Dictatorship, that will be replaced by a Democraticly Elected Pro-Islamic Fundamentalist Pro-War-With-Israel Majority. I'm fine with that btw. Their country, to do with as they wish. [B]As long as they don't ** with us or our allies.[/B][/QUOTE] Agreed on the bold, and that clearly is the most important thing. Whether we supported Mubarak or not, it's likely the Egyptians would have deposed him. Lets not make it sound like we were integral in deposing him, that it was our choice. In fact, we probably supported him right up until it was unfashionable to do so. [QUOTE=Warfish;4428265]Depends on who you're talking to. For example, I wouldn't talk with the Third Reich. I wouldn;t talk with Stalin's Soviet Union. And personally, I wouldn't talk with an Islamic Fundamentalist/Terrorist State who wants to wage war on an ally of ours. But it's for each voter to decide how they feel about our role in the changes in Egypt, why we did what we did, and what the outcome is. I'd bet there are MANY Deocrat voters who think this is the best possible outcome for Egypt and welcome allying with the M.B. with open arms.[/QUOTE] We have and did talk to the Soviet Union during the Cold War... a lot. I mean are we really ready to call the Muslim Brotherhood the Third Reich? Listen I'm not defending these guys, let me be clear, but I just, you know, I just don't see how they're the Third Reich and we shouldn't be talking to them at all. Talking to them also doesn't really imply anything, we could be saying "Hey, you f* with Israel, you f*** with us." Meeting over. After the wikileaks scandal where we learned that we say publicly is largely what we say privately, unlike the rest of the goddam world, I wouldn't really worry so much about this. Welcoming them with open arms. Man, what a partisan way to describe "democrat voters wants" with reality. You think as a democratic voter I even want to talk to these people that treat their women like sh*t? Of course not. But this is the real world, and part of being in the real world is talking to people that you do not like in order to not physically fight them over every difference.