[QUOTE=Trades;4433884]LOL, check out England, they can't pay their bills and universal healthcare is killing them. France and Greece are buried under entitlements and the Greeks continue to riot if anyone wants to reduce any entitlement.[/QUOTE]
The 08 financial collapse was global and the economic problems in England, Germany and France were from that crises - and not because they have universal healthcare. It's a complete fabrication to argue otherwise.
And Greece, well, they did everything wrong - from discouraging the collection of taxes to absurdly early retirements, vacation time and crazy pensions.
I, nor anyone I know, support using Greece as a model for our healthcare system.
I do say we should be looking at Germany, Norway, France and the UK. All of which pay less % of their GDP and have a greater degree of coverage.
Their financial problems are the same as ours, and in Germany's case, they were far better off than most after the 08 collapse - their problem arose out what to do about Greece, not because Germany itself was in such bad shape.
Scapegoating universal healthcare as the cause for the 08 crises is erroneous and absurd.