[QUOTE=Warfish;4500147]I have no real doubt that the real intention of Obamcare was the gradual destruction of the faith and confidence in our private healtgcare/insurance system, in order to pave the way for a proper single-payer or Universal National Healthcare System a la the UK.
The same way I have no doubt that the core purpose of Operation Fast & Furious was to create political outrage and overwhelming pressure to ban assault weapons and support limiting gun rights.
The same way I have no doubt that the reason we not have the DREAM Act withotu actually passign the DREAM Act is to imcrease the vote count come November in a specific racial group of potential voters.[/QUOTE]
Everything you say here is true. For me I am more disturbed by the way these programs are sold. It seems like progressives know that the people wouldn't agree to their agenda if they are upfront about it. So they knowingly lie and sell these ideas and programs in a distorted way in their attempt to cram their agenda on to voters that would not agree if they were truthful. Obamacare was sold as a system which would reduce the costs of care. It was sold as something that would not add to the deficit. To their credit most people weren't fooled. But the larger picture of a political party that lies to the public in order to advance an agenda which they know voters won't support.
I would like to see the liberals take on this. Do they agree that the ends justify the means and progressive politicians are justified in lying and distortions to sell their unpopular agenda to the public?