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brady's a catcher · 06-27-2012, 06:23 AM

[QUOTE=Warfish;4501518]Not to dismiss your efforts, but I have two brief (for me) points:

1. [B]Why would democrats/the left compromise now, after what can only be viewed as a total victory for them on the issue? The SC in effect struck down the entire deal in AZ (with only a VERY temporary stay on the one portion not struck down, until enough folks complain of being racially profiled). Combine with Obama getting away with choosing to simply not enforce (you say "prosecutorial discretion") an entire swatch of the Law.[/B]

I see no reason whatsoever for them to give an inch now. They've effectively already won.

2. What portion of your listed plan is actually a compromise or bargain for my side? I see nothing in your listed plan that I would or could support.

Yes, the RINO-Romney types, who are as open-border-friendly and pro-free-trade as G.W. Bush was, will embrace it and chortle with hand-on-chin about it not being Amnesty, not really, sure.

No my friend, the reason some of us are "on the cliff" is because we see how close we to this issue being a total and complete loss for the side of limited, controlled immigration, the rule of law, and any form of real meaningful immigration enforcement. Reform will not correct the problem, anymore than accounting tricks correct fiscal deficientcies. You plan, like most, simply corrects the issue via amnesty (generally) with a few tacked on, never going to actually be enforced, rules after the fact.

Sorry, but no deal. There can be no compromise. Either we live nder the rule of Law, in whcih case the lawbreakers cannot ever recieve benefit for having broken the law, or we live under a system of political expediency and convenience, where the value of citizenship, and the entire status as citizen, is merely up to the whims of the Federal Leviathan and it's Dictatorial headmaster.[/QUOTE]

If you add real border security (permanent Natl guard troops, etc), I would sign up for this in a nano-second. Which makes me sure that WF bolded point is absolutely correct.

When you're holding a straight flush, why would you chop the pot?

06-27-2012, 06:23 AM	#5
brady's a catcher R.I.P Goofy Maloof All Pro Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 6,690	[QUOTE=Warfish;4501518]Not to dismiss your efforts, but I have two brief (for me) points: 1. [B]Why would democrats/the left compromise now, after what can only be viewed as a total victory for them on the issue? The SC in effect struck down the entire deal in AZ (with only a VERY temporary stay on the one portion not struck down, until enough folks complain of being racially profiled). Combine with Obama getting away with choosing to simply not enforce (you say "prosecutorial discretion") an entire swatch of the Law.[/B] I see no reason whatsoever for them to give an inch now. They've effectively already won. 2. What portion of your listed plan is actually a compromise or bargain for my side? I see nothing in your listed plan that I would or could support. Yes, the RINO-Romney types, who are as open-border-friendly and pro-free-trade as G.W. Bush was, will embrace it and chortle with hand-on-chin about it not being Amnesty, not really, sure. No my friend, the reason some of us are "on the cliff" is because we see how close we to this issue being a total and complete loss for the side of limited, controlled immigration, the rule of law, and any form of real meaningful immigration enforcement. Reform will not correct the problem, anymore than accounting tricks correct fiscal deficientcies. You plan, like most, simply corrects the issue via amnesty (generally) with a few tacked on, never going to actually be enforced, rules after the fact. Sorry, but no deal. There can be no compromise. Either we live nder the rule of Law, in whcih case the lawbreakers cannot ever recieve benefit for having broken the law, or we live under a system of political expediency and convenience, where the value of citizenship, and the entire status as citizen, is merely up to the whims of the Federal Leviathan and it's Dictatorial headmaster.[/QUOTE] If you add real border security (permanent Natl guard troops, etc), I would sign up for this in a nano-second. Which makes me sure that WF bolded point is absolutely correct. When you're holding a straight flush, why would you chop the pot?