Agreed. Obama in a landslide IMO. Was my opinion back then, definitely is today.
I also should point out that if Doggin IS right in his argument, then the U.S. Revolution was and is illegal (the Colonies had no right under British Law to leave). What that of course points out is that violent revolution > law when it coems to such things, and as much as we value democracy and the will or people and rule of law, the real power is in none of those things. It's in [B]violence and the will to express it[/B]. [/QUOTE]
Didn't Quebec have a vote to leave Canada a decade or so ago (edit:1995)? They voted not to leave. I'm not sure how close it was (very close) but it is interesting that there are avenues within their constitution to allow such a thing. Does the US not have those same avenues?
But I really don't think there is anything close to a 51% majority in any single state to leave the union so it never really gets discussed seriously (no offense to minor conversations that have taken place).
To those that may be in favor of leaving, do they feel that it must be a State as the smallest body that can leave? why not a county or town? Must at least 51% of the population of that State/county/town want to leave? There may be ways that a strong 30% minority to get their way perhaps?
Still would like Warfish's take on Seasteading, especially now that he has what looks like the Great White Fleet as his sig. Look it up and tell me what you think. Is it really a Libertarian dream?