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Warfish · 07-06-2012, 03:12 PM

I do not agree.

I do agree.

If the problem is a short-term, immediate response, millitary (i.e. blow stuff up) problem, then I disagree with him. The professional standing force should handle it. No draft.

If the problem is a War. A real War, i.e. we and another Nation State are going to go after it over something, then I agree with him. The Professional force should be sent in first, and the Draft restarted to provide reserve troops and time-out-of-field for the first-line professional units.

The real problem is that neither Afghanistan nor Iraq were, strictly speaking, Wars.

They both had short "War" periods at their starts, but the War was over quickly in both cases. We won, hands down, by the way, in both Wars.

What the two situations are are long-term Occupation and Rebuilding Peace keeping/Police actions. Thats not War. It may involve alot of the same kinds of activity (shoot, kill, get shot, die, etc.) but it is NOT War. It's a hubrid of riot control, policework, occupation force (millitary) and civil rebuilding efforts.

It's having/finding/creating a force to handle that amalgum of requirements that is the problem. The Millitary, and certainly not private contractors, are not the answer (at least not alone).

The Draft, i.e. sending random kid-off-street to Iraq or Afgahnistan would have been much worse in results, with many more dead and wounded that we already have. It MIGHT have helped end these actions faster, but that assumes you think our Political leaders care about the will of the people.

If you ask me, the real problem is mixing War with heart-warming lets be pals lets rebuild ya and give ya democracy our way style heart-n'minds instead of bullets and destruction. When you go to war, you go to war. You destory the enemy completely, liberal ideas of waging a "kind" war be damned.

And once all enemies are dead or surrendered, only then do you offer to help rebuild, under strict police control in every way, and slowly give them back their rights and the like.

We tried to do both at once, and the results speak for themselves.

07-06-2012, 03:12 PM	#3
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	I do not agree. I do agree. If the problem is a short-term, immediate response, millitary (i.e. blow stuff up) problem, then I disagree with him. The professional standing force should handle it. No draft. If the problem is a War. A real War, i.e. we and another Nation State are going to go after it over something, then I agree with him. The Professional force should be sent in first, and the Draft restarted to provide reserve troops and time-out-of-field for the first-line professional units. The real problem is that neither Afghanistan nor Iraq were, strictly speaking, Wars. They both had short "War" periods at their starts, but the War was over quickly in both cases. We won, hands down, by the way, in both Wars. What the two situations are are long-term Occupation and Rebuilding Peace keeping/Police actions. Thats not War. It may involve alot of the same kinds of activity (shoot, kill, get shot, die, etc.) but it is NOT War. It's a hubrid of riot control, policework, occupation force (millitary) and civil rebuilding efforts. It's having/finding/creating a force to handle that amalgum of requirements that is the problem. The Millitary, and certainly not private contractors, are not the answer (at least not alone). The Draft, i.e. sending random kid-off-street to Iraq or Afgahnistan would have been much worse in results, with many more dead and wounded that we already have. It MIGHT have helped end these actions faster, but that assumes you think our Political leaders care about the will of the people. If you ask me, the real problem is mixing War with heart-warming lets be pals lets rebuild ya and give ya democracy our way style heart-n'minds instead of bullets and destruction. When you go to war, you go to war. You destory the enemy completely, liberal ideas of waging a "kind" war be damned. And once all enemies are dead or surrendered, only then do you offer to help rebuild, under strict police control in every way, and slowly give them back their rights and the like. We tried to do both at once, and the results speak for themselves.