Originally Posted by chiefst2000
I am a first generation American. I have traveled the world since I was two spending virtually every summer of my childhood abroad. I am fluent in two languages and can converse in 3. When I traveled to Greece in 2000 I ferried from island to island. A week after I left one of the same ferry's I had been traveling during my trip went down. They didn't have proper safety gear on board. Many of the people died. Your perceptions are clouded by your own ignorance. Since you feel that patriotism is for the stupid and inbred its no surprise that you are here touting the greatness of everywhere except America. I cant recall any stories of American cruise ships sinking in the past 20+ years. I certainly don't believe the captain of such a ship would handle things as unprofessionally as the Italian Captain did. That guy would have been fired before he had the chance to screw up like that if he were here.
Remember who you're talking to. Ken is one of our few generally honest World Socialist types. He does not believe in Nationalism at all, nor National Pride, patriotism or the like, and he's said so many times.
As such, you'll never convince him of something Nationalistic. To him, all peopel are people, none better or worse (well, Americans may be the worst), and any such jigoistic nationalism is inherantly counter to one world socialism, and he will not agree or support such things.
Give him credit, at least he's honest about his loathing of U.S. Naionalism/Patriotism. I may disagree, but I do love his strait forward honesty.