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Old 10-04-2012, 09:40 AM   #25
Warfish
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Compare Libya to Iraq or Afghanistan... I think it's clear which approach is more favorable.
Agree and disagree.

Libya, tacticly (air power, bombing, etc) was clearly a better millitary tactic for winning.

However, it was (IMO) the least justified millitary conflict of the three, our killing of a large number fo civillians was downplayed heavily (as it always is when (D) bombs people), and we "picked sides" in a conflict where neither side was in our best interests.

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We're out of Iraq - and we should have "abandoned it" sooner, same with Afghanistan.
Agreed. But with that said, we left on the Bush timeline in Iraq, and only because Obama was unsuccessful in negotiating an extention he was clearly working for. We also now bear some responsabillity for leaving it in the state it's in going forward (the "you broke it, you bought it" theorum you menion and don't agree with).

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Afghanistan is really the biggest problem with Obama's foreign policy, and I agree it's the complete continuation of GWB in that theatre.
His failing, same as Bush's IMO, is the utter lack of "why are we here, whats the goal" rationale.

In any event, I think Foreign Policy is not a clear cut win for Obama by any means. Even his greatest triumph, killing Bin Laden, is riddled with issues (no body, reports he was shot while surrendering, not asking Pakistan first, too much hype for Obam's limited role and obvious desicion being obvious, etc).

We'll see I spose.
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