Originally Posted by CraigFL
Right now as the Jets continue their slide down into the basement of the AFC East (and FRANKLY the NFL) and into the joke book of every pundit with ASSpirations of making the Jets the BUTT of their jokes, it seems ********* and anyone else with an opinion on the Jets are either at odds or confused as to who is to blame and who if anyone needs to be fired after the season. I think the majority of ********* undoubtedly believes that Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum can no longer escape blame for the failures of this team and has to be relieved of his General Manager duties as soon as possible. I for one certainly agree with that opinion and you probably won’t find too many people rushing to defend Tannenbaum as his FAILURESS are evident and glaring at this point. The difference in opinions regarding the blame within ********* primarily exist when discussing what faults, if any, does HC Rex Ryan play in the Jets FAILURES and if he deserves to be fired. Let’s quickly examine both sides of the argument here and determine which viewpoint, if any, holds more weight/validity than the other to determine if the Jets are better off simply parting pays with Rex Ryan or giving him another off season to try to fix what is wrong with the Jets.
Why Rex deserves one more season:
- Rex currently boasts a 36–28 overall record since becoming a head coach which includes 4-2 in the playoffs and 2 trips to the AFC Championship Game in consecutive seasons (2009/2010). That instantly gives him the best playoff record for any head coach in the history of the New York Jets.
- In 2009 and 2010, the Jets were ranked first and fourth overall in the league in rushing and since Ryan arrived, the Jets defenses have never been ranked lower than sixth overall in the NFL. That’s saying a lot considering the season before Rex arrived, the Jets defense was ranked 29th overall, a vast improvement for the Jets defense to say the least.
- Rex is working with arguably one of the worst QB situations in the league right now and that’s putting it nicely. Mark Sanchez has struggled to find any kind of positive consistency for this team this season, and some even argue that he has actually been counter-productive, not only for this Jets offense but for the entire Jets team. What makes matters worse is the fact that apparently Sanchez’s backup in Tim Tebow, you know; the QB that the Jets traded a 4th rounder for? has done nothing to gain the trust in the Jets coaching staff, hence the reluctance to even entertain the thought of benching Sanchez for Tebow. That is a problem and that would seemingly make it difficult for any coach to succeed offensively, not just Rex Ryan.
- It’s widely believed in ********* that Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum hasn’t done much to help Rex personnel wise and that’s a legit argument to say the least. It’s also an argument that speaks for itself as most Rex supporters honestly feels as if Mike Tannenbaum has gradually done Rex Ryan IN with incompetent personnel decisions over the past year and ˝.
Why Rex deserves to be fired:
2009: 9-7 record. Defeated the Bengals and Chargers in the postseason but lost to the Colts in the AFC Championship
2010: 11-5 record. Defeated the Colts and Patriots in the postseason but lost to the Steelers in the AFC Championship game.
2011: 8-8 record. No playoffs
2012: 4-7 record thus far and no light at the end of the tunnel.
Simply put; the Jets are moving in the wrong direction LITERALLY. There’s no way anyone can make a legitimate argument that they have seen valid consistent improvement from this Jets team in 3 ˝ seasons under Ryan.
- Mark Sanchez’s development falls directly on the shoulders of Rex Ryan and anyone believing anything to the contrary isn’t being honest with themselves. Say what you want about Mark Sanchez at this point as he’s warrants the criticism he receives but I don’t think its even debatable at this point that Mark Sanchez has received inadequate and counterproductive development since being drafted by the Jets. From day one Rex put the handcuffs on Mark Sanchez and tried to coach this “Ground and Pound” philosophy into Mark Sanchez and when Sanchez’s rookie mistakes started showing up, Rex went from handcuffs to total LOCKDOWN on Sanchez, implementing Operation Color Coded Wrist Band, a colorful piece of “weaponry” that is only to be used when engaging in the “Play NOT to Lose” warfare. That type of counterproductive development falls squarely on the shoulders of the head coach, NO ONE ELSE. Rex should’ve seen what we ALL saw in that the offensive coaching around Sanchez just wasn’t cutting it and there needed to be a change but instead of doing so, Rex allowed Brian Schottenheimer to take the fall and he was done with it. Rex should’ve fired Matt Cavanaugh and hired a QB coach to come to fix Sanchez’s problems as it was painfully obvious that Cavanaugh+Schotty = FAILURE.
You put a lot of time into this thread. You did a nice job.
But I beg to differ with some things:
1) The bolded part in your post claims that Rex Ryan hasn't put up any valid consistent improvement since becoming HC. That's wrong. Rex, as you stated, but failed to account for, instantly improved the Jets defense when he came here. He also showed improvement with the team overall as in 2010 their regular season record was 11-5 as compared to their 2009 record which was 9-7. That IS improvement.
2) There's only so much one person can do in regards to an underperforming QB. Rex Ryan gave Mark Sanchez the best of everything when he was first drafted. He gave him everything a QB could possibly want and more. I believe it aided Mark Sanchez in the early going. It helped him quite a bit and many of us were fooled by those seasons from Mark Sanchez. The fact is, he never got any better even having all of those weapons. So if many fans were fooled into thinking Mark Sanchez was going to become something great, then it is shame on YOU, certainly not shame on Rex.
The fact is, since a lot of those weapons were taken away from Sanchez, he had the handcuffs taken off, and the CS NEEDED him to make strides. Well, quite frankly after giving him running games and defenses that were among the very best in the league for 2 seasons, he SHOULD have been able to come through for the team after some of those weapons were taken away. You EXPECT your QB to improve after that period.
Therefore, I think it's a little misguided to imply anything like, Rex didn't do enough for Mark Sanchez. That's a crock of sh*t. He simply didn't have the ability to begin with. Rex is NOT to blame for Mark Sanchez becoming a sh*tty QB. MARK SANCHEZ is to blame for becoming a sh*tty QB.
Now the fact that Rex continues to have this loyalty to a QB that is clearly done IS Rex's fault. He's ignoring what is best for the team just to be loyal to a kid that doesn't deserve that kind of loyalty. That is why he is at fault.
And when you say Rex has been stuck with one of the worst QB situations, that implies he had Mark Sanchez forced on him and he couldn't do anything about it. That's not true. It is ALL Rex Ryan's fault that he is in a bad QB situation. No one is stopping Rex Ryan from doing what is best for the team. Benching Mark Sanchez is clearly what is best for the team. Yet, Rex not doing is HIS fault. Furthermore, his unwillingness to even so much as activate Greg McElroy for game day, shows he doesn't even respect the kid. That makes the situation even worse and that is through his own doing.
3) The defense has become worse during his tenure and that can be nobody's fault except Rex Ryan. We all saw a very capable defense during the preseason. Most of us thought the defense would be ranked in the top 5. That fact that hasn't happened is coaching, The players are there, the coaching just needs to be better.
The above, by my count is where Rex Ryan has gone wrong. But the rest of the teams faults falls on Mike Tannenbaum. You cannot fault Rex Ryan for having a poor record when you do not give him the players necessary to become a good team. The offense has been seriously neglected during Tanny's reign. He went all in with Mark Sanchez and the fact is, it hasn't worked out.
What's worse is Tanny has not added any decent talent on offense in some time. It's his fault our OL is not performing like we'd expect. He let two great talents in Alan Faneca and Damien Woody go and he did nothing to try and fill those holes created. He drafted Shonn Greene who has been a major disappointment. He drafted Vladimir Ducasse who has been nothing better than a BUST.
So IMO at least the blame probably falls more on Tanny's shoulders than it does Rex's. They are both to blame certainly.
And Woody is NOT to blame at all for these problems. Anyone who says anything otherwise is just making sh*t up in their heads. Tanny and Rex touch base with Woody Johnson daily AS THEY SHOULD. I mean, after all, he does own the f*cking team. However, Woody has just asked to be kept in the loop. He hasn't been meddling with the team as so many here like to claim.