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eaglenj · 01-03-2013, 07:43 AM

Can we look a little further into Norv before everyone here starts saying he is a brilliant OF and their first choice????

Theres a lot of mentioning of what he did with alex smith in SF...here are Smiths numbers from the 1 season norv was there (2006).

2890 yards 58% 16 tds 16 ints (was his second year in the league)

Smith accomplished that in a year when Gore ran for 1,695 yards and caught 60 passes (approx 25% of smiths 257 completions)

That SF team finished with 7 wins

Prior to that in Oakland in 2005 they won 4 games while kerry collins threw for 3700 yards 20 tds and 12 ints all while completing 53% of his passes.

That season followed 2004 in Oakland where collins had almost the identical season: 3500 yards, 56% 21 tds and 20 ints.

Now we know that Norv HAD (please not the past tense) success offensively in SD with rivers, but rivers best seasons there 2009-2010 where on a RIDICULOUSLY stacked offense with 1 definite HOF in LT, 1 probable one in Gates and vincent jackson/malcolm floyd. And in every single seaon, his team underachieved (whether it was a reg season spiral or a playoff disappointment).

So when you look at the best seasons of Norvs career, San Diego and Dallas, there really is one common dominator....the guy had Hall of Fame talent on offense. Whether it was LT, aikman, emmit, irvin, gates, etc he has had success when he has had not good, but literally EPIC talent to work with.

This is a guy who every stop he has been at, minus Dallas TWENTY YEARS AGO, has underachieved and fallen short of their goals. Where is the last QB he "developed", troy aikman? Not to mention, Norv is known as a terrible clock manager, something that we already struggle with here and not a great in-game manager of challenges etc.

My last point is this....look around the NFL at the offenses teams are running. Spread, read option, pistol, etc....is norv really a 2013 NFL OC, someone who can adapt and change with the game? Or is he going to keep using his downfield, low % passing offense that works great with aikman to irvin or rivers to gates, when they have HOF RBs in their backfield. An offense that is so low % with its downfield passing that it has failed in every single playoff opportunity he has been given in the last 20 years. Thats gonna work in the NY winter?

I for one dont want Norv anywhere this team. We need new, young, INNOVATIVE blood at the OC position. Enough with failed NFL re-treads.

01-03-2013, 07:43 AM	#26
eaglenj All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,869	Can we look a little further into Norv before everyone here starts saying he is a brilliant OF and their first choice???? Theres a lot of mentioning of what he did with alex smith in SF...here are Smiths numbers from the 1 season norv was there (2006). 2890 yards 58% 16 tds 16 ints (was his second year in the league) Smith accomplished that in a year when Gore ran for 1,695 yards and caught 60 passes (approx 25% of smiths 257 completions) That SF team finished with 7 wins Prior to that in Oakland in 2005 they won 4 games while kerry collins threw for 3700 yards 20 tds and 12 ints all while completing 53% of his passes. That season followed 2004 in Oakland where collins had almost the identical season: 3500 yards, 56% 21 tds and 20 ints. Now we know that Norv HAD (please not the past tense) success offensively in SD with rivers, but rivers best seasons there 2009-2010 where on a RIDICULOUSLY stacked offense with 1 definite HOF in LT, 1 probable one in Gates and vincent jackson/malcolm floyd. And in every single seaon, his team underachieved (whether it was a reg season spiral or a playoff disappointment). So when you look at the best seasons of Norvs career, San Diego and Dallas, there really is one common dominator....the guy had Hall of Fame talent on offense. Whether it was LT, aikman, emmit, irvin, gates, etc he has had success when he has had not good, but literally EPIC talent to work with. This is a guy who every stop he has been at, minus Dallas TWENTY YEARS AGO, has underachieved and fallen short of their goals. Where is the last QB he "developed", troy aikman? Not to mention, Norv is known as a terrible clock manager, something that we already struggle with here and not a great in-game manager of challenges etc. My last point is this....look around the NFL at the offenses teams are running. Spread, read option, pistol, etc....is norv really a 2013 NFL OC, someone who can adapt and change with the game? Or is he going to keep using his downfield, low % passing offense that works great with aikman to irvin or rivers to gates, when they have HOF RBs in their backfield. An offense that is so low % with its downfield passing that it has failed in every single playoff opportunity he has been given in the last 20 years. Thats gonna work in the NY winter? I for one dont want Norv anywhere this team. We need new, young, INNOVATIVE blood at the OC position. Enough with failed NFL re-treads. Last edited by eaglenj; 01-03-2013 at 07:45 AM.