Originally Posted by C Mart
I heard Charlie Casserly this week say alot of positive things regarding the Jets FO/Scouts. He knows and has worked with many.
What it boils down to is how much does the GM listen to them vs the HC..
The HC (and position coaches) will have watched workouts and film of the college players by draft day and have their opinions, "he's my type of player or I can fix him" and possibly overrate them (this also applies to your FA concerns)...It's up to the GM to then weigh what his scouts have said vs the HC and make a decision.
As we have been learning the past week or so via reports, Rex had more influence over personnel decisions than many of us thought, at least me.
As for the few picks argument...If you go by the quality vs quantity theory it's ok but you better hit big if you go by the quality route..
Again, I still think the lack of player development clouds the quality theory that Tanny took the past few years. And IMO I think Tanny lost who he was when Rex came aboard. That's not Rex's fault, that's Tanny's for allowing it to happen. Tanny went from a buttoned up, serious guy to as we saw in Hard Knocks more of a "celebrity" type personality.
That's why Ross intrigues me..I read the article below and it states when he interviewed with Reece he point blank told Reece regarding their latest draft picks "Some of them were good, some of them were bad." To have that confidence and boldness to say during an interview leads me to think he can easily tell Rex or anybody else that he disagrees with them should a difference arise.
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Thanks and likewise,good response...agree with everything and I sure hope whether it's Gambe,Ross or whoever they have the balls to be their own man but the gumption to listen.It's a delicate balance to find but we have to hope the new guy has it.
For all we know the influence RR has had in the draft room may have had a lot to do with taking Mo(Looking like a very good pick)QC(ditto)and Wilson(far from the terrible bust some would have you believe especially down at pick 30).So perhaps listening to Rex ought not to be filed under 'sackable offences'.No need to go too far the other way but we absolutely need to prioritise the offense more than we have done so that may be where the new guy needs to get tough.Our drafts have not been bad at all in recent years outside of the occasional whiff and the previously mentioned lack of numbers.I actually thought we made a good fist of the quality v quantity approach and I personally don't think it's the reason we are where we are.As I said before when you take that approach via the draft then you must get your pro scouting/FA absolutely spot on and while again,there have been successes, I think largely that area has been lacking.
Also you mention player development.This I the most troubling area for me with regard to the post Mangini years.We simply have to do a better job of teaching and coaching players up,turning water into wine,getting guys playing above themselves.I don't really know that this is an area the new GM can influence but I sure hope we see it in 2013.
Your analysis of Tanny post Rex is spot on although for all we know he may always have been like that in private but he sure did come across as having bought into the hype a little.Shame as I think he did a lot right and it's worth remembering in his defence that the final 4 rules probably hamstrung us a little after the 2 AFCCG,that gets forgotten.