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Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist

I like Rex, but...

The Jets defense was middle of the pack in defensive scoring (Points allowed - Defensive and ST TDs) the last 2 years, and has acutally regressed in points and yards all 4 season

When your QB hands the ball to the other team on a regular basis, leaving the D with a short field to defend, Yardage D looks better, and Scoring D looks worse often

And I expect the regression. Rex inherited old players and they needed recycling or replacement. That process is well underway, and will continue in 2012 at LB (I believe). Also, losing Revis in 2012 (the worst scoring year) must also be considered outside Rex's control.

You may be old school, but the NFL isn't.

Really? Last I checked half the playoff teams ere running a variant of the old College Option.

I agree the passing game MUST improve. It will never do so under Mark Sanchez in my opinion, so that is not a Rex/No Rex issue. It's a Sanchez issue.

The Jets unquestionably played like dog**** the end of the last 2 seasons. They lost by more than 10 points 2 of final 3 games in 2011 and 2012 without playing a single team that won more than 9 games (Admittedly that was the Giants, but no one would argue that the Giants played 'well' that game).

I don't generally disagree. But there were factors involved beyond Rex IMO.

After 4 seasons he has to take some responsibility for the offense

Yes. Should have been done sooner, obviously, and thats a more than legit criticism. As Head Coach he must take ownership of all aspects of play, not just Defense. He didn't.

This is on Tannenbaum as much as Rex, since there really wasn't a good replacement. But, he is the one who has been firecely loyal to Sanchez. As little as we all think of Tebow, there's no reason that Sanchez should have started the last game of the season.

Yes, it's on Tanny as well, and I maintain the sanchez pick wasn;t "wrong". He just didn't work out (i.e. wring in hindsight, right at the time it was made).

But I disagree, clearly Tebow shows enough negative that he was never seriously considered as a QB, right or wrong will be decided by the rest of Tebow's career.

I can think of three guys (Wilkerson, Kerley, and Coples) who have really shown development (Plus Slauson arguably) in the 4 years since Rex was hired.

Powell. McKnight. Wilkerson. Ellis. Coples. Kerley. Hill (I hope, this coming season). Revis is better (IMO) under Rex. Cromarties is much better (IMO) under Rex. And as old, slow and fail as our LB Corps is, they all play better than we should expect from old worn down JAG's under Rex than they would otherwise.

It's on O, clearly, that improvement must be made talent and evelopment wise.

Only Kerely has been a pick later than round 1 that has shown a whole lot. Greene hasn't really developed, same with Kyle Wilson, Ducasse, or Kendrick Ellis)

The lack of performing late-rounders is a criticism, but I don't know how valid. How many teams are finding legit top-tier starters in Round 5, 6 or 7 really?

2 Non winning seasons in a row, is not good. Going 8-8 vs 7-9 isn't really a big change, but is that really enough to give Rex another change?

Agree to disagree. This is a completely subjective question, and we can agree to hold different views on what is/isn't acceptable.

This still leaves the Jets without a viable QB and with only about $15M to pay 15 new players and 10 new starters (though we have to hope that some of the rookies from the last two seasons step up to a starting roll, like Demario Davis, Ducasse, Powell, and Coples)

I'm not a GM nor a Cap man.

I want Sanchez no where near this team in 2012, or at worst, no where near the #1 QB spot in 2012. Period.

With that said, if we're forced to keep him, Rex is at least partly to blame for that, and his 2013 future will rest on Sanchez. If we lose, again, so be it, Rex gets fired with my full support.

This is closer to how I actually feel. Looking at the other coaches who were hired, and frankly I wasn't all that impressed.

Nor have I been. And I discount the idea that a Cowher or Chucky or (lol) Bellichek were ever real-world options, no matter how much money of Woody's we spent on it for him.

My feeling always was I think Rex can be a great coach, but he clearly isnt there.

Agreed, he's far from it at current, I freely admit.

I want to see one more year, hopefulyl mostly healthy (or at least injuries to less vital players), and less one Mark Sanchez. If Rex fails with that, it's a clear cut decision, can his ham.

The new GM should have had free reign to hire whomever they wanted.

Also, 100% agreed. I would hope he'd keep Rex one more year, but I fully agree the new GM should have made that call, not Woody.

But I do think most of your points are refutable.

I would hope so, total agreement across the board is boring.