Originally Posted by FF2®
I respect that you have a few "off limits" items and hardly vieiew them as extreme, in fact I would say they are pretty common, but I think you do your causes a disservice by not even willing to delve into them.
Why not take the opportunity to express why you feel so strongly about them? if they are so absolute and your feelings so strong....surely they will survive a discussion, no?
How did the British Professors turn out? Did everything change? Of course not. and I humbly submit that after a discussion about dumping the Consitution...it will survive just fine...in fact, may emerge even stronger in some views.
Did everythign change? No, not yet. Give it 50 years, and we'll see. Change of that scale takes one of two things, time or an emergency.
For example, I never thought I'd live to see the day that American Citizens would be forced by law, under threat of fine and jail time, to buy a private product from a private business for some vague sense of "the greater good".
Today, thats a reality.
I never thought the idea of abortion would really be so mainstream that many consider it just another form of routine birth control. Today, with respect, that IS a reality.
I never thought we'd do many things we do now, from de facto amnesty 9again) for illegal immigrants, to giving the "new" Egypt a few hundred Abrams tanks and F-16's free of change, no strings attached, when they're in mid "U.S. and Israel Sucks and Should Die" ranting.
You'll simply have to forgive me (or not) if I draw a line somewhere, and that line is the Constitution, the greatest barrier to State power and abuse that has ever existed.
As I said to Isi, if the discussion was "lets Amend it to fix X..." I am HAPPY to have that discussion. I've said that regularly here.
If the discussion is "lets toss it all out, rewrite it" with a handful of liberal colelctivist "intellectuals" doing the writing, then no, I cannot chin-stroke and simply trust that such an event either wopn't come to pass, or won't revoke many of my most cherished rights for the supposed "greater good of teh collective", given how often that argument is used in every political discussion of the day now.
I read my history. I know how Tyrany and abuse comes to pass. I will not line up as a willing participant.
But like so many other issues, many seemingly will, enthusiasticly. And as time passes, more and more are it seems. The stand for liberty, individual rights, individual responsabillity and accountabillity, and protection of the individual seems (IMO) to be a dying beleif system in America Today.
And no exageration about it, that scares the **** out of me. Worse is the feeling, stronger each day, that the "War" is already lost. That more now value freedom less, and comfort and control by the State far more. Just trust the Govt, and everything will be ok.