Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs
So you and I are clear I think the big problem is hand guns. Homicide is only part of the issue. The need for people to own working assault weapons in their homes seems to me to be a different kind of insanity. I don't see how a civil society can exist when a good portion of the country feels that they should be allowed to own these weapons and actually buy them in local Wall Marts.
I'm not only for an assault weapons ban I think all weapons should be licensed, numbered and controlled. You should be able to prove a need and basic competence. Kids are being killed every day by guns left casually in the home. Stress and abuse of spouses is magnified by guns in the home and depression often turns into instant suicide when guns are in the home.
I have a right to live in a civil society and not be threatened by people who clearly don't have the temperament or the training to own deadly weapons, particularly deadly weapons that can have catastrophic and instantaneous impact on the lives of my family or neighbors in a flash.
Just because isn't a reason we can't have rational regulation, including licensing and reasonable liability, background checks and limited clips. The right to bear arms is not an unlimited right to own any kind of weapon for any reason. Guns provide defense but they also are a tool to provide intimidation, end debate, and enforce your will on others. It is a tool that can both protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and take it away when used for its brutal purpose by those untrained or lacking the temperament to carry deadly force.
Statistics on crime tend to be very much tied to demographics. Our society is aging but that is not a permanent condition. Since neither one of us is a statistician and the Gun lobby has done a great job of making sure no good data is available I don’t think any statistical argument is very good at the moment. By the end of the day you can be sure lives will be ended by gun violence in this country and the slaughter will continue…
Wait a minute. I'm confused again. So assault weapons aren't the problem then? Now its handguns? Are you saying that handguns are not currently regulated and required to be registered and licensed? Because that's not the case where I live. Why the heck is the president so focused on assault rifle bans then? He should be banning handguns and allowing the rifles if true.
To the rest of your points I'm not sure why it bothers so much you if people are using their weapons to kill themselves. To me if someone wants to commit suicide the method they choose to accomplish it is irrelevant. If the gun isnt there are plenty of methods they could use. Furthermore if someone leaves guns around their house and someone in their family gets injured on it again this isn't a threat to you so I'm not clear why you want to take away my rights to protect my family based on that reasoning. A better concept would be requiring gun safety classes or maybe investing in a gun safety ad campaign.
You mentioned that it bothers you that some people stockpile guns in their homes yet you have no examples where a militia force with a stockpile of guns went out and wreaked havoc on society. No examples of how this is a dangerous epidemic in America. Nothing at all. Your claim that the NRA is covering up these crimes does not pass the sniff test.
I am worried about mass shootings and protecting my children. My goal would be to look for causes of these things and find ways to reduce them from happening. Nothing you mentioned or proposed would have prevented any of the recent shootings.