Originally Posted by Snell41
Yeah ok buddy
2008 season 1699 yards rushing, 17 TD's, 4.5 per carry.
2009 missed 6 games, still had 871 yds rushing, 10 TD's, 4.9 per carry.
2010 1371 yards rushing, 12 TD's, 4.1 per carry.
2011 1340 yards rushing, 11 TD's, 4.5 per carry.
Up until last year he was every bit of elite compared to his peers.
Fair enough, I made a rash judgement without fact checking first. You posted undeniable facts. You're entitled to your opinion.
never considered him elite. I was never scared of him as a player to have to account for, and for all his numbers, he didn't help his team at all. Their best year was when he split carries with Jaquizz (this year).
Also, my definition of elite is in absolute terms; not in relative terms. Yes, according to your post, Turner was in the top 3 of his rushing class for three out of his 5 serviceable years...not once was he top dog, and even his best season pales mightily in comparison to other 'elite' RBs in history.
Furthermore, having such a limited data set should take him out of 'elite' consideration...you can't be anything if you're not playing...whether its sitting behind an all time great or being injured or ineffective (this past year), it's hard to make a judgement when he's not on the field. Bo Jackson is the exception to this rule, because he was literally a freak, and he proved it by taking the nation by storm in the little time he had to prove it. Turner did no such thing.
Again, you backed it up, and if elite to you is a relative term, then I'm wrong and he's elite. But in my definition of elite, he's not.