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jets5ever · 11-09-2004, 03:16 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by ShadeTree#55[/i]@Nov 9 2004, 03:03 PM
[b] 5ever:

That really doesn't fly.

What about all of the innocents that China has killed in Tibet? Why not attack them, what about Sudan, how many troops are we sending there? All in the name of protecting innocents.

Look war is tricky and innocents are going to die, it is a fact. But taking the high road on one type of innocent life being worth more is bull****.

I am just willing to realize that we have too many people anyway, so if a women choose to abort a baby it is her choice. IMO

I am fine with the death penalty.

I am fine with the loss of life in war.

All are sad, all are tragic. [/b][/quote]
Shade-Tree,

You misunderstand - I am not using the "Iraqi Lives" issue as a justification for the Iraw War. IMO, there are plenty of other valid reasons as to why I support that war and, personally, the fact that innocent Iraqis were dying under Saddam really has very little to do with why I support it (but that is another issue entirely).

You accused me of not caring about innocent victims caught in the cross-fire of a war, and that is false and that is what I addressed, however, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I never said we should attack every country in which innocent lives are lost, and don't feel that way. I simply demonstrated that IMO, being against the Iraq War out of concern for the lives if innocent Iraqi citizens is, at best, a complicated issue and that "no war" would cost innocent lives in that region as well. I also thusly feel that your attempt to brand me a hypocrite in regards to my pro-life views are unfair.

You may not agree, but this war in Iraq has the potential to end up with a net saving of innocent lives, if the situation improves to the point where Iraq is a stable and less repressive society than it was under Hussein. You haven't accounted for the loss of innocent ife going on prior to the war, and that is simply too relevant to dismiss from the equation. What stance could one possible take take that would protect innocent lives in Iraq? War? No. No war? No. You can see the conundrum your simplicity creates.

That, and I am simply horrified by abortion. I think it is atrocious. I can appreciate that I won't change anyone's mind about it, but what can I say - it's the way I feel.

11-09-2004, 03:16 PM	#36
jets5ever Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 11,692	[quote][i]Originally posted by ShadeTree#55[/i]@Nov 9 2004, 03:03 PM [b] 5ever: That really doesn't fly. What about all of the innocents that China has killed in Tibet? Why not attack them, what about Sudan, how many troops are we sending there? All in the name of protecting innocents. Look war is tricky and innocents are going to die, it is a fact. But taking the high road on one type of innocent life being worth more is bull****. I am just willing to realize that we have too many people anyway, so if a women choose to abort a baby it is her choice. IMO I am fine with the death penalty. I am fine with the loss of life in war. All are sad, all are tragic. [/b][/quote] Shade-Tree, You misunderstand - I am not using the "Iraqi Lives" issue as a justification for the Iraw War. IMO, there are plenty of other valid reasons as to why I support that war and, personally, the fact that innocent Iraqis were dying under Saddam really has very little to do with why I support it (but that is another issue entirely). You accused me of not caring about innocent victims caught in the cross-fire of a war, and that is false and that is what I addressed, however, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I never said we should attack every country in which innocent lives are lost, and don't feel that way. I simply demonstrated that IMO, being against the Iraq War out of concern for the lives if innocent Iraqi citizens is, at best, a complicated issue and that "no war" would cost innocent lives in that region as well. I also thusly feel that your attempt to brand me a hypocrite in regards to my pro-life views are unfair. You may not agree, but this war in Iraq has the potential to end up with a net saving of innocent lives, if the situation improves to the point where Iraq is a stable and less repressive society than it was under Hussein. You haven't accounted for the loss of innocent ife going on prior to the war, and that is simply too relevant to dismiss from the equation. What stance could one possible take take that would protect innocent lives in Iraq? War? No. No war? No. You can see the conundrum your simplicity creates. That, and I am simply horrified by abortion. I think it is atrocious. I can appreciate that I won't change anyone's mind about it, but what can I say - it's the way I feel.