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Old 11-10-2004, 11:30 AM   #16
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[quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo+Nov 10 2004, 11:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (Enrique Pallazzo @ Nov 10 2004, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bitonti[/i]@Nov 10 2004, 12:12 PM
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the only insurgents left are kids, not professionals

this isn't about Liberalism or Conservatism it's about the right way to fight urban guerilla warfare and the wrong way - right now we are involved in the wrong way. [/b][/quote]
Good. Kill them before they become professional.

What IS the right way to fight urban guerilla warfare? Enlighten me. [/b][/quote]
what you and other neo-conservatives don't seem to understand is that terrorists that are also kids were just kids in the not too recent past. For whatever reason (I'm not condoning terrorism) - they are Angry enough at the west to die to make their point.

Rather than question why this is as it is, or figure a way to really change the terrorist --> suicidal violence dynamic all we are doing is treating the symptom not the problem.

to use a metaphor from pest control - when you have an infestation you cut off the routes inside the residence (Border control), you cut off the food sources by cleaning house (Intel) and you use some sort of poison that they will share, eat and kill them (Consumerism, Foreign Investment... "rebuilding" etc.)

The pace of progress in Iraq is essentially still less than zero. We are fighting sporatic but determined urban guerilla warfare, probably the worst kind of conditions for troops in terms of vulnerability. Colin Powell's doctrine says you need overwhelming force before ANY conflict. Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have their own doctrines which apparently do not heed the lessons learned by Military strategists who know more about this s**t than anyone, myself included.

Miltarilistically speaking the US forces fight an uphill battle, precisely because of long supply lines and multiple fronts and not enough troop levels - exactly the lessons Germany learned during WWII - are terrorists at the same level as russia? In terms of technology and operational strength, no. But it was not the Russians technology or operational strength which weakened the Germans it was their willingness to die for the cause, and their home field advantage.

In 1776-79 America out-foxed a much larger, better armed and better trained foe by using similar tactics. Exploiting long supply lines and testing the will of the decision-makers on the other side of the Atlantic. Irony that they are both King Georges? B)
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