Obama got it right from day 1

bitonti · 10-03-2007, 12:31 PM

people say Obama is a 'typical' candidate

the truth is he is the only candidate to oppose this war when it was unpopular to do so

[quote]"What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income -- to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics."
-Barack Obama, October 2, 2002[/quote]

fast forward 5 years

[quote]"Some seek to rewrite history. They argue that they weren't really voting for war, they were voting for inspectors, or for diplomacy. But the Congress, the Administration, the media, and the American people all understood what we were debating in the fall of 2002.

This was a vote about whether or not to go to war. That's the truth as we all understood it then, and as we need to understand it now. [B]And we need to ask those who voted for the war: {cough cough Hillary} how can you give the President a blank check and then act surprised when he cashes it?"[/B]-Barack Obama, October 2, 2007[/quote]

sackdance · 10-03-2007, 01:01 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;2124008]people say Obama is a 'typical' candidate

the truth is he is the only candidate to oppose this war when it was unpopular to do so

fast forward 5 years[/QUOTE]

Go Obama!

The more desperate he gets, the more he'll highlight some inconvenient Democratic truths.

bitonti · 10-03-2007, 01:31 PM

[quote]
In great empires the people who live in the capital, and in the provinces remote from the scene of action, feel, many of them, scarce any inconveniency from the war; but enjoy, at their ease, the amusement of reading in the newspapers the exploits of their own fleets and armies. To them this amusement compensates the small difference between the taxes which they pay on account of the war, and those which they had been accustomed to pay in time of peace. They are commonly dissatisfied with the return of peace, which puts an end to their amusement, and to a thousand visionary hopes of conquest and national glory from a longer continuance of the war.
[/quote]

adam smith - wealth of nations - 1776

turns out he was right about everything, except for the fact that taxes raise during times of war - ever since Bush uspended the basic rules of macroeconomics.

Sourceworx · 10-03-2007, 01:49 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;2124182]adam smith - wealth of nations - 1776

turns out he was right about everything, except for the fact that taxes raise during times of war - ever since Bush uspended the basic rules of macroeconomics.[/QUOTE]

Adam Smith was a stupid pinko-libtard-communist.

sackdance · 10-03-2007, 02:18 PM

[QUOTE=sourceworx;2124223]Adam Smith was a stupid pinko-libtard-communist.[/QUOTE]
Adam Smith was talking about empires, the British Empire most likely.

Anyone care to discuss how different the United States is today than the British Empire of the 18th Century? Maybe we can discuss how Adam Smith might have viewed gay marriage?

Bit should have his wiki-privileges suspended for a week.

Come Back to NY · 10-03-2007, 03:00 PM

I figured this thread would be about hussien obama proclaiming to the world and America's enemies before he's even received the nomination that nukes are off the table no matter what....but I'm sure that issue would be rendered boring....

bitonti · 10-03-2007, 03:24 PM

[QUOTE=sackdance;2124316]
Anyone care to discuss how different the United States is today than the British Empire of the 18th Century? [/QUOTE]

um wait... i know this one...

they have King George the III we have George IV!

sackdance · 10-03-2007, 03:28 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;2124532]um wait... i know this one...

they have King George the III we have George IV![/QUOTE]
Not bad.

PlumberKhan · 10-03-2007, 03:43 PM

Those who forget history are enlightened. History is gay.

Eversteady · 10-03-2007, 04:41 PM

of being swept into the deceptive left-right paradigm.

[url]www.freedom-force.org[/url]

CanadaSteve · 10-03-2007, 04:54 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2124574]Those who forget history are enlightened. History is gay.[/QUOTE]

Interesting take on those who do not know or understand history are doomed to repeat its failures....

bitonti · 11-15-2007, 03:30 PM

O-BA-MANIA... can you feel it?

[url]

Come Back to NY · 11-15-2007, 03:56 PM

sure...just like you feel those live birth abortions perishing on the shelf!!

rock on!!!

parafly · 11-15-2007, 04:11 PM

[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2211780]sure...just like you feel those live birth abortions perishing on the shelf!!

rock on!!![/QUOTE]

If that's all the neocons have on him, he's in good shape.

Come Back to NY · 11-15-2007, 04:31 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;2211805]If that's all the neocons have on him, he's in good shape.[/QUOTE]

all along the lunatic leftists claim he's fit to be president because "he's like a rock star".....

BrooklynBound · 11-15-2007, 04:41 PM

[QUOTE=sourceworx;2124223]Adam Smith was a stupid pinko-libtard-communist.[/QUOTE]

Communist? Adam Smith was one of the pioneers of modern free market economics. Your post couldn’t be more wrong.

Jetfan_Johnny · 11-15-2007, 05:01 PM

This is the same Obama who couldn't even win a democratic primary for a House seat in 2000. Now just 7 years later he is qualified to be President?

parafly · 11-15-2007, 05:05 PM

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2211863]Communist? Adam Smith was one of the pioneers of modern free market economics. Your post couldn’t be more wrong.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

parafly · 11-15-2007, 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=Jetfan_Johnny;2211904]This is the same Obama who couldn't even win a democratic primary for a House seat in 2000. Now just 7 years later he is qualified to be President?[/QUOTE]

I didn't realize winning a primary for a House seat was required to become President.

sackdance · 11-15-2007, 09:54 PM

[QUOTE=parafly;2211917]I didn't realize winning a primary for a House seat was required to become President.[/QUOTE]
It helps though.

Watching this debate tonight. Plenty of laughs. (Obama is not good at making things up as he goes along. Joe Biden is a maestro at that, seems relaxed. Richardson is pretty good on his feet. Hillary is prepared (and being asked questions like "is it really a boys club you're fighting against, hillary?" - and then given 5 minutes to speak - Dodd is being ignored, Edwards was booed (wrongly, I thought - pro-Hillary crowd) - and Blitzer talks too much. All them seem to think that they're running against Bush and Cheney, though - either one of those two are more than the whole stage combined.)

10-03-2007, 12:31 PM	#1
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	Obama got it right from day 1 people say Obama is a 'typical' candidate the truth is he is the only candidate to oppose this war when it was unpopular to do so [quote]"What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income -- to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics." -Barack Obama, October 2, 2002[/quote] fast forward 5 years [quote]"Some seek to rewrite history. They argue that they weren't really voting for war, they were voting for inspectors, or for diplomacy. But the Congress, the Administration, the media, and the American people all understood what we were debating in the fall of 2002. This was a vote about whether or not to go to war. That's the truth as we all understood it then, and as we need to understand it now. [B]And we need to ask those who voted for the war: {cough cough Hillary} how can you give the President a blank check and then act surprised when he cashes it?"[/B]-Barack Obama, October 2, 2007[/quote]

10-03-2007, 04:41 PM	#10
Eversteady in over his head and it sure feels fine. All League Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 553	Be careful of being swept into the deceptive left-right paradigm. [url]www.freedom-force.org[/url]

11-15-2007, 04:31 PM	#15
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	[QUOTE=parafly;2211805]If that's all the neocons have on him, he's in good shape.[/QUOTE] all along the lunatic leftists claim he's fit to be president because "he's like a rock star"..... Last edited by Come Back to NY; 11-15-2007 at 04:33 PM.

10-03-2007, 01:01 PM	#2
sackdance All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,887	[QUOTE=bitonti;2124008]people say Obama is a 'typical' candidate the truth is he is the only candidate to oppose this war when it was unpopular to do so fast forward 5 years[/QUOTE] Go Obama! The more desperate he gets, the more he'll highlight some inconvenient Democratic truths.

10-03-2007, 01:31 PM	#3
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[quote] In great empires the people who live in the capital, and in the provinces remote from the scene of action, feel, many of them, scarce any inconveniency from the war; but enjoy, at their ease, the amusement of reading in the newspapers the exploits of their own fleets and armies. To them this amusement compensates the small difference between the taxes which they pay on account of the war, and those which they had been accustomed to pay in time of peace. They are commonly dissatisfied with the return of peace, which puts an end to their amusement, and to a thousand visionary hopes of conquest and national glory from a longer continuance of the war. [/quote] adam smith - wealth of nations - 1776 turns out he was right about everything, except for the fact that taxes raise during times of war - ever since Bush uspended the basic rules of macroeconomics.

10-03-2007, 01:49 PM	#4
Sourceworx Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 13,428	[QUOTE=bitonti;2124182]adam smith - wealth of nations - 1776 turns out he was right about everything, except for the fact that taxes raise during times of war - ever since Bush uspended the basic rules of macroeconomics.[/QUOTE] Adam Smith was a stupid pinko-libtard-communist.

10-03-2007, 02:18 PM	#5
sackdance All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,887	[QUOTE=sourceworx;2124223]Adam Smith was a stupid pinko-libtard-communist.[/QUOTE] Adam Smith was talking about empires, the British Empire most likely. Anyone care to discuss how different the United States is today than the British Empire of the 18th Century? Maybe we can discuss how Adam Smith might have viewed gay marriage? Bit should have his wiki-privileges suspended for a week.

10-03-2007, 03:00 PM	#6
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	I figured this thread would be about hussien obama proclaiming to the world and America's enemies before he's even received the nomination that nukes are off the table no matter what....but I'm sure that issue would be rendered boring....

10-03-2007, 03:24 PM	#7
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=sackdance;2124316] Anyone care to discuss how different the United States is today than the British Empire of the 18th Century? [/QUOTE] um wait... i know this one... they have King George the III we have George IV!

10-03-2007, 03:28 PM	#8
sackdance All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,887	[QUOTE=bitonti;2124532]um wait... i know this one... they have King George the III we have George IV![/QUOTE] Not bad.

10-03-2007, 03:43 PM	#9
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,016	Those who forget history are enlightened. History is gay.

10-03-2007, 04:54 PM	#11
CanadaSteve Liked the draft picks....meat and potatoes. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 6,514	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2124574]Those who forget history are enlightened. History is gay.[/QUOTE] Interesting take on those who do not know or understand history are doomed to repeat its failures....

11-15-2007, 03:30 PM	#12
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	O-BA-MANIA... can you feel it? [url]

11-15-2007, 03:56 PM	#13
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	sure...just like you feel those live birth abortions perishing on the shelf!! rock on!!!

11-15-2007, 04:11 PM	#14
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,300	[QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2211780]sure...just like you feel those live birth abortions perishing on the shelf!! rock on!!![/QUOTE] If that's all the neocons have on him, he's in good shape.

11-15-2007, 04:41 PM	#16
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=sourceworx;2124223]Adam Smith was a stupid pinko-libtard-communist.[/QUOTE] Communist? Adam Smith was one of the pioneers of modern free market economics. Your post couldn’t be more wrong.

11-15-2007, 05:01 PM	#17
Jetfan_Johnny All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,535	This is the same Obama who couldn't even win a democratic primary for a House seat in 2000. Now just 7 years later he is qualified to be President?

11-15-2007, 05:05 PM	#18
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,300	[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2211863]Communist? Adam Smith was one of the pioneers of modern free market economics. Your post couldn’t be more wrong.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

11-15-2007, 05:08 PM	#19
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,300	[QUOTE=Jetfan_Johnny;2211904]This is the same Obama who couldn't even win a democratic primary for a House seat in 2000. Now just 7 years later he is qualified to be President?[/QUOTE] I didn't realize winning a primary for a House seat was required to become President.

11-15-2007, 09:54 PM	#20
sackdance All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,887	[QUOTE=parafly;2211917]I didn't realize winning a primary for a House seat was required to become President.[/QUOTE] It helps though. Watching this debate tonight. Plenty of laughs. (Obama is not good at making things up as he goes along. Joe Biden is a maestro at that, seems relaxed. Richardson is pretty good on his feet. Hillary is prepared (and being asked questions like "is it really a boys club you're fighting against, hillary?" - and then given 5 minutes to speak - Dodd is being ignored, Edwards was booed (wrongly, I thought - pro-Hillary crowd) - and Blitzer talks too much. All them seem to think that they're running against Bush and Cheney, though - either one of those two are more than the whole stage combined.)