Rhodes Only Worth a 4th

The Cooler King · 03-07-2010, 11:24 AM

The more you think about it why would anybody give more than a 4th for Rhodes. He had 1 good season and has since turned into a safety that avoids contact and has no ball hawking skills. We as fans we are overestimating his worth based upon that 1 good year he had. Tanny did the right thing by getting the 4th and now let's see what he does with it.....

Boynton Beach Jets · 03-07-2010, 11:27 AM

If Mr. T could have gotten more he would have. Unfortunately many fans over rate their own players.

bitonti · 03-07-2010, 11:29 AM

I dont get how trading Rhodes makes this team better. As for the worth, Randy Moss was worth a 4th. the fact he was worth anything is a testament to the fact he had value.

The Jets 4th round is the money round... traditionally.

phillyjet · 03-07-2010, 11:52 AM

read between the lines... the jets were going to cut Rhodes. He was never going to see that roster bonus next week. They took the best deal they could get and shipped him out of the division... might have been a different negotiation if he wasn't due that large bonus next week.

Boynton Beach Jets · 03-07-2010, 12:04 PM

[QUOTE=phillyjet;3517731]read between the lines... the jets were going to cut Rhodes. He was never going to see that roster bonus next week. They took the best deal they could get and shipped him out of the division... might have been a different negotiation if he wasn't due that large bonus next week.[/QUOTE]

I do not know about cutting Rhodes but yes they took the best deal available. I think it might be more then coincidently that Hollywood gets cut two days after the Jets get Cromartie.

SMC · 03-07-2010, 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;3517694]I dont get how trading Rhodes makes this team better. As for the worth, Randy Moss was worth a 4th. the fact he was worth anything is a testament to the fact he had value.

The Jets 4th round is the money round... traditionally.[/QUOTE]

There are 2 mutually exclusive points.

Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes.

But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better.

In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.

Bocajetfan68 · 03-07-2010, 12:16 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;3517694]I dont get how trading Rhodes makes this team better. As for the worth, Randy Moss was worth a 4th. the fact he was worth anything is a testament to the fact he had value.

The Jets 4th round is the money round... traditionally.[/QUOTE]

Many harp on the Moss for a 4 issue. I belive at the time that was all he was worth due to his attitude problem in Oakland. His play that last season there caused red flags to go up all around the NFL. Almost every team could have used a reciever of his ability and Pat's lowballed and won.

Savage69 · 03-07-2010, 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=Bocajetfan68;3517769]Many harp on the Moss for a 4 issue. I belive at the time that was all he was worth due to his attitude problem in Oakland. His play that last season there caused red flags to go up all around the NFL. Almost every team could have used a reciever of his ability and Pat's lowballed and won.[/QUOTE]

Pats didn't have to low ball..The Pats where the only team that Moss would have adjusted his 9 million salary for..:yes:

Johnny Rico · 03-07-2010, 12:25 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;3517757]There are 2 mutually exclusive points.

Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes.

But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better.

In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.[/QUOTE]

If you think it's good value, then it does make the team better because we now have a 4th. The money round.

Bocajetfan68 · 03-07-2010, 12:26 PM

[QUOTE=Savage69;3517778]Pats didn't have to low ball..The Pats where the only team that Moss would have adjusted his 9 million salary for..:yes:[/QUOTE]

Thus the low ball. Moss did not have a no trade clause and no others steped to the plate with a better offer. Salary and attitude restricted his value.

Sourceworx · 03-07-2010, 12:29 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;3517757]There are 2 mutually exclusive points.

Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes.

But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better.

[B]In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.[/B][/QUOTE]

If they stand pat with Eric Smith or Ihedigbo replacing Rhodes, then I agree. Rhodes is better than the in-house replacements that we have.

However something tells me they (Tanny and Rex) have something else planned. I don't think we've seen the big picture on this yet.

C Mart · 03-07-2010, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;3517757]There are 2 mutually exclusive points.

Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes.

[B]But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better.[/B]

In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.[/QUOTE]

How do we know it's only March 7th?

Apache 51 · 03-07-2010, 12:51 PM

Cut the cancer out, whatever it takes.

SMC · 03-07-2010, 03:26 PM

[QUOTE=sourceworx;3517795]If they stand pat with Eric Smith or Ihedigbo replacing Rhodes, then I agree. Rhodes is better than the in-house replacements that we have.

However something tells me they (Tanny and Rex) have something else planned. I don't think we've seen the big picture on this yet.[/QUOTE]

As of now, there is technically no replacement on the roster since both Smith and Ihedigbo are RFAs. In other words, the Jets have no player on the team that plays FS. They have to re-sign their RFAs and/or get another player for the role.

[QUOTE=C Mart;3517797]How do we know it's only March 7th?[/QUOTE]

You judge every trade as it's made. Any other move will be judged on it's own account.

Right now, until the Jets find a replacement that is better than Rhodes (he, being a JAG), the Jets are a worse team because of this trade. Hence, it's a bad trade.

SMC · 03-07-2010, 03:29 PM

[QUOTE=Johnny Rico;3517786]If you think it's good value, then it does make the team better because we now have a 4th. The money round.[/QUOTE]

No, it doesn't work that way.

The Seahawks have 2 1st rounders (6th & 14th). If they offered those 2 picks for Sanchez is that a good deal or just good value?

It's good value, but that doesn't mean it's a good trade for the Jets. Hence the points are mutually exclusive.

JStokes · 03-07-2010, 03:38 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;3517757]There are 2 mutually exclusive points.

Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes.

But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better.

In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.[/QUOTE]

SMC bringing the goods, as per usual.

Well said, Sir. :yes:

Savage69 · 03-07-2010, 03:55 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;3518013]As of now, there is technically no replacement on the roster since both Smith and Ihedigbo are RFAs. In other words, the Jets have no player on the team that plays FS. They have to re-sign their RFAs and/or get another player for the role.

.[/QUOTE]

There's no replacement now..But since we don't play for another 5+ months I don't see the immediate need that some of you do.. Why do people want the team set at every position in March?? :confused:

Jetworks · 03-07-2010, 04:28 PM

I agree with the OP. We got a 4th rounder for what was a guy who likely would have been cut at some point. Also, can we stop with referring to Rhodes as "rangy"? The only thing rangy about him was his build, otherwise he was indecisive and plodding, at least this year.

sg3 · 03-07-2010, 04:30 PM

Mr Softie wasn't even worth a fourth

MT getting a 4th AND another pick robbed the Bidwells blind

Anarcho Fukayama · 03-07-2010, 04:33 PM

One thing people need to remember is that draft picks have significantly more value this year with the cap situation.

Teams are going to hold their picks closer to the chest than their players because picks typically won't command the same type of money that vets will in an uncapped market.

Since the value of the pick has gone up, that means you'll get less value when trading players.

A 4th this uncapped year could very well have been a 3rd last year.

03-07-2010, 11:24 AM	#1
The Cooler King Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 837	Rhodes Only Worth a 4th The more you think about it why would anybody give more than a 4th for Rhodes. He had 1 good season and has since turned into a safety that avoids contact and has no ball hawking skills. We as fans we are overestimating his worth based upon that 1 good year he had. Tanny did the right thing by getting the 4th and now let's see what he does with it.....

03-07-2010, 11:27 AM	#2
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	If Mr. T could have gotten more he would have. Unfortunately many fans over rate their own players.

03-07-2010, 11:29 AM	#3
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	I dont get how trading Rhodes makes this team better. As for the worth, Randy Moss was worth a 4th. the fact he was worth anything is a testament to the fact he had value. The Jets 4th round is the money round... traditionally.

03-07-2010, 11:52 AM	#4
phillyjet Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 692	read between the lines... the jets were going to cut Rhodes. He was never going to see that roster bonus next week. They took the best deal they could get and shipped him out of the division... might have been a different negotiation if he wasn't due that large bonus next week.

03-07-2010, 12:04 PM	#5
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	[QUOTE=phillyjet;3517731]read between the lines... the jets were going to cut Rhodes. He was never going to see that roster bonus next week. They took the best deal they could get and shipped him out of the division... might have been a different negotiation if he wasn't due that large bonus next week.[/QUOTE] I do not know about cutting Rhodes but yes they took the best deal available. I think it might be more then coincidently that Hollywood gets cut two days after the Jets get Cromartie.

03-07-2010, 12:08 PM	#6
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	[QUOTE=bitonti;3517694]I dont get how trading Rhodes makes this team better. As for the worth, Randy Moss was worth a 4th. the fact he was worth anything is a testament to the fact he had value. The Jets 4th round is the money round... traditionally.[/QUOTE] There are 2 mutually exclusive points. Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes. But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better. In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.

03-07-2010, 12:16 PM	#7
Bocajetfan68 All League Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Boca Raton Fl. Posts: 2,560	[QUOTE=bitonti;3517694]I dont get how trading Rhodes makes this team better. As for the worth, Randy Moss was worth a 4th. the fact he was worth anything is a testament to the fact he had value. The Jets 4th round is the money round... traditionally.[/QUOTE] Many harp on the Moss for a 4 issue. I belive at the time that was all he was worth due to his attitude problem in Oakland. His play that last season there caused red flags to go up all around the NFL. Almost every team could have used a reciever of his ability and Pat's lowballed and won.

03-07-2010, 12:19 PM	#8
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,294	[QUOTE=Bocajetfan68;3517769]Many harp on the Moss for a 4 issue. I belive at the time that was all he was worth due to his attitude problem in Oakland. His play that last season there caused red flags to go up all around the NFL. Almost every team could have used a reciever of his ability and Pat's lowballed and won.[/QUOTE] Pats didn't have to low ball..The Pats where the only team that Moss would have adjusted his 9 million salary for..:yes:

03-07-2010, 12:25 PM	#9
Johnny Rico Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 618	[QUOTE=SMC;3517757]There are 2 mutually exclusive points. Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes. But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better. In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.[/QUOTE] If you think it's good value, then it does make the team better because we now have a 4th. The money round.

03-07-2010, 12:26 PM	#10
Bocajetfan68 All League Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Boca Raton Fl. Posts: 2,560	[QUOTE=Savage69;3517778]Pats didn't have to low ball..The Pats where the only team that Moss would have adjusted his 9 million salary for..:yes:[/QUOTE] Thus the low ball. Moss did not have a no trade clause and no others steped to the plate with a better offer. Salary and attitude restricted his value.

03-07-2010, 12:29 PM	#11
Sourceworx Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 13,423	[QUOTE=SMC;3517757]There are 2 mutually exclusive points. Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes. But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better. [B]In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.[/B][/QUOTE] If they stand pat with Eric Smith or Ihedigbo replacing Rhodes, then I agree. Rhodes is better than the in-house replacements that we have. However something tells me they (Tanny and Rex) have something else planned. I don't think we've seen the big picture on this yet.

03-07-2010, 12:31 PM	#12
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,304	[QUOTE=SMC;3517757]There are 2 mutually exclusive points. Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes. [B]But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better.[/B] In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.[/QUOTE] How do we know it's only March 7th?

03-07-2010, 12:51 PM	#13
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,642	Cut the cancer out, whatever it takes.

03-07-2010, 03:26 PM	#14
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	[QUOTE=sourceworx;3517795]If they stand pat with Eric Smith or Ihedigbo replacing Rhodes, then I agree. Rhodes is better than the in-house replacements that we have. However something tells me they (Tanny and Rex) have something else planned. I don't think we've seen the big picture on this yet.[/QUOTE] As of now, there is technically no replacement on the roster since both Smith and Ihedigbo are RFAs. In other words, the Jets have no player on the team that plays FS. They have to re-sign their RFAs and/or get another player for the role. [QUOTE=C Mart;3517797]How do we know it's only March 7th?[/QUOTE] You judge every trade as it's made. Any other move will be judged on it's own account. Right now, until the Jets find a replacement that is better than Rhodes (he, being a JAG), the Jets are a worse team because of this trade. Hence, it's a bad trade.

03-07-2010, 03:29 PM	#15
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	[QUOTE=Johnny Rico;3517786]If you think it's good value, then it does make the team better because we now have a 4th. The money round.[/QUOTE] No, it doesn't work that way. The Seahawks have 2 1st rounders (6th & 14th). If they offered those 2 picks for Sanchez is that a good deal or just good value? It's good value, but that doesn't mean it's a good trade for the Jets. Hence the points are mutually exclusive.

03-07-2010, 03:38 PM	#16
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	[QUOTE=SMC;3517757]There are 2 mutually exclusive points. Rhodes for a 4th is proper value considering the Jets traded a 2011 3rd rounder for a former all pro CB that is 2 yrs younger than Rhodes. But it's a bad trade IMO, because it didn't make the team better. In otherwords: Good value, bad trade.[/QUOTE] SMC bringing the goods, as per usual. Well said, Sir. :yes:

03-07-2010, 03:55 PM	#17
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,294	[QUOTE=SMC;3518013]As of now, there is technically no replacement on the roster since both Smith and Ihedigbo are RFAs. In other words, the Jets have no player on the team that plays FS. They have to re-sign their RFAs and/or get another player for the role. .[/QUOTE] There's no replacement now..But since we don't play for another 5+ months I don't see the immediate need that some of you do.. Why do people want the team set at every position in March?? :confused:

03-07-2010, 04:28 PM	#18
Jetworks murse in training Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Staten Island Posts: 7,458	I agree with the OP. We got a 4th rounder for what was a guy who likely would have been cut at some point. Also, can we stop with referring to Rhodes as "rangy"? The only thing rangy about him was his build, otherwise he was indecisive and plodding, at least this year.

03-07-2010, 04:30 PM	#19
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,399	Mr Softie wasn't even worth a fourth MT getting a 4th AND another pick robbed the Bidwells blind

03-07-2010, 04:33 PM	#20
Anarcho Fukayama a long time lurker Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 23	One thing people need to remember is that draft picks have significantly more value this year with the cap situation. Teams are going to hold their picks closer to the chest than their players because picks typically won't command the same type of money that vets will in an uncapped market. Since the value of the pick has gone up, that means you'll get less value when trading players. A 4th this uncapped year could very well have been a 3rd last year.