Carl Banks killng Peter King

mcsully · 03-19-2010, 09:37 AM

Great back and forth debate with Peter King and Carl Banks regarding overtime changes..
Banks is killing him and I've never heard King off balance like this..
Sirius radio at its finest..

After hearing this, I've come to the conclusion King has great contacts and is a great writter BUT has no more understanding of the actual game than us fans do.

Peebag · 03-19-2010, 09:42 AM

Peter King, a great writer??????????
In what f*cked up parallel dimension are you living in????

crasherino · 03-19-2010, 09:46 AM

[QUOTE=mcsully;3531653]Great back and forth debate with Peter King and Carl Banks regarding overtime changes..
Banks is killing him and I've never heard King off balance like this..
Sirius radio at its finest..

After hearing this, I've come to the conclusion King has great contacts and is a great writter [B]BUT has no more understanding of the actual game than us fans do[/B].[/QUOTE]

What led you to believe that he did before? He probably gets a lot of great insights from people he talks to, but as to fundamental understanding of the game, I doubt he has any greater knowledge than your average football zealot. That goes for most journalists, not simply King.

mcsully · 03-19-2010, 09:49 AM

[QUOTE=Peebag;3531657]Peter King, a great writer??????????
In what f*cked up parallel dimension are you living in????[/QUOTE]

I enjoy his weekly column..

[QUOTE=crasherino;3531660]What led you to believe that he did before? He probably gets a lot of great insights from people he talks to, but as to fundamental understanding of the game, I doubt he has any greater knowledge than your average football zealot. That goes for most journalists, not simply King.[/QUOTE]

THis is someting I just didn't think with him today.. But now i know ;)

WeskerLogan · 03-19-2010, 09:51 AM

King is a douchebag. Let's see if his precious Patriots lost out on a secret coin-toss..it'd be front page news on SI for weeks.

mcsully · 03-19-2010, 10:00 AM

[QUOTE=WeskerLogan;3531668]King is a douchebag. Let's see if his precious Patriots lost out on a secret coin-toss..it'd be front page news on SI for weeks.[/QUOTE]

Funny u say that because Pat fans dislike him..

sg3 · 03-19-2010, 10:35 AM

why would they hate a guy who resides in Video Bill's sphincter 12 months a year

BigBensAngel7 · 03-19-2010, 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=sg3;3531704]why would they hate a guy who resides in Video Bill's sphincter 12 months a year[/QUOTE]
bc they are jeaolus they cant be in bill's sphincter..lol:D

NYJCAP2 · 03-19-2010, 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=crasherino;3531660]What led you to believe that he did before? He probably gets a lot of great insights from people he talks to, but as to fundamental understanding of the game, I doubt he has any greater knowledge than your average football zealot. That goes for most journalists, not simply King.[/QUOTE]

So true. It's also why many former athletes are becoming television and radio personalities. They know the ins and outs of the sports better than a journalists and most of them actually have degrees and are able to put them to use.

There's nothing wrong with a personality that hasn't played sports and doesn't pretend to know more than they do, alla Mike Greenberg. Then you have Golic, who was not a star, but knows how it works. That's why they're the best.

WeskerLogan · 03-19-2010, 11:07 AM

[QUOTE=mcsully;3531674]Funny u say that because Pat fans dislike him..[/QUOTE]

ha really? He seems like such a Patriot apologist but that's not news.

sameoldjets · 03-19-2010, 11:08 AM

golic not a star? maybe not an all pro but he was good enough to play for nd on scholarship and then was drafted. he wasn't drafted higher because he had a bum shoulder. he was certainly a solid player for the browns.

not disagreeing with most of your arguement just that golic was a far better player than you imply.

[QUOTE=NYJCAP2;3531734]So true. It's also why many former athletes are becoming television and radio personalities. They know the ins and outs of the sports better than a journalists and most of them actually have degrees and are able to put them to use.

There's nothing wrong with a personality that hasn't played sports and doesn't pretend to know more than they do, alla Mike Greenberg. Then you have Golic, who was not a star, but knows how it works. That's why they're the best.[/QUOTE]

TheMo · 03-19-2010, 11:10 AM

[QUOTE=BigBensAngel7;3531713]bc they are jeaolus they cant be in bill's sphincter..lol:D[/QUOTE]

Lol well played, hats off to you my lady :D

Toooon · 03-19-2010, 11:10 AM

[QUOTE=NYJCAP2;3531734]So true. It's also why many former athletes are becoming television and radio personalities. They know the ins and outs of the sports better than a journalists and most of them actually have degrees and are able to put them to use.

There's nothing wrong with a personality that hasn't played sports and doesn't pretend to know more than they do, alla Mike Greenberg. Then you have Golic, who was not a star, but knows how it works. That's why they're the best.[/QUOTE]

That is a bunch of garbage. Most ex athletes, whether they know the "ins and outs" of the game, have a hard time articulating it over the air. There are exceptions - Dave Jennings is the best I've ever heard (and typical of the Jets that they fired him). But let's not act like sports such as football are rocket science. You can have a great understanding having played it as a kid or in high school, even if you never sniffed the NFL. And if you have a gift for communicating, that is far more valuable to a fan than hearing some ex-player making no sense and criticizing no one because he's in the fraternity of players (or coaches).

I didn't hear the debate with King being discussed here, so not sure exactly what happened. And I am with most of you in absolutely hating Peter King. But I'd rather listen to him talking about the NFL than Carl Banks any day.

crasherino · 03-19-2010, 11:11 AM

[QUOTE=mcsully;3531663]I enjoy his weekly column..

THis is someting I just didn't think with him today.. But now i know ;)[/QUOTE]

The thing is, there are "football people" and everyone else. I'm pretty sure that I know more than the "average fan" about all things football....but, I am also pretty sure that if I am in the company of "football people" talking football, I will probably struggle to comprehend what the hell they are talking about. They speak in a different jargon that we may understand some of, but don't really have the fluency to really participate in.

I think journalists, in general, lean more towards the fan side than the "football people" side.

NYRAGE · 03-19-2010, 11:19 AM

It's funny, because I thought King was owning Banks - at least in the beginning. I couldn't take listening to Banks, so I turned to the hockey station.

I like that King did his research: like only 7 teams in the history of 440+ overtimes elected to go with defense first. He also said that in recent years (since all the changes to the rule book plus better efficiency of kickers), the team that wins the coin flip wins 60% of the time. Banks didn't have a rebuttal other than "and", "so". Banks did say that teams should make the stop on defense. King was trying to say that the offense has the advantage over the defense thanks to the rule changes (and moving the kick-off back to the 30) and that the coin flip was too much of a factor on winning game. Plus, Banks isn't exactly the most eloquent of speakers. It's not like I'm a big fan of King either.

The debate sounded forced for radio to me. Just two guys picking opposite sides for a radio bit.

32green · 03-19-2010, 11:20 AM

I love Carl Banks, he knows the game and isnt afraid to speak his mind.

He regularly straightens out Benigno and Roberts on their FAN show.

I have no doubt he bufuddled the fat chowdophile.

:yes:

WeskerLogan · 03-19-2010, 11:28 AM

with the internet, facebook, twitter, and all other forms of social media messaging in the present and the future; the "reporter" position is pretty much obsolete. They are fans who simply enjoy writing more than we do and obviously, more direct access..that's it...whatever Peter King, or Don Banks, or whomever else has an opinion it's no more different than what you may hear from one of us.

C Mart · 03-19-2010, 11:34 AM

[QUOTE=32green;3531767]I love Carl Banks, he knows the game and isnt afraid to speak his mind.

[B]He regularly straightens out Benigno and Roberts on their FAN show.[/B]

I have no doubt he bufuddled the fat chowdophile.

:yes:[/QUOTE]

Not difficult to do...

But I also like Banks. He knows his stuff.

Dirtstar · 03-19-2010, 11:36 AM

[QUOTE=32green;3531767]I love Carlton Banks :yes:[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa84/allie_90/thCarlton.gif[/IMG]

BigBensAngel7 · 03-19-2010, 11:40 AM

[QUOTE=TheMo;3531744]Lol well played, hats off to you my lady :D[/QUOTE]
thank you ... i just couldnt resist.:D

03-19-2010, 09:37 AM	#1
mcsully licking my chops for Madden 12 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,733	Carl Banks killng Peter King Great back and forth debate with Peter King and Carl Banks regarding overtime changes.. Banks is killing him and I've never heard King off balance like this.. Sirius radio at its finest.. After hearing this, I've come to the conclusion King has great contacts and is a great writter BUT has no more understanding of the actual game than us fans do.

03-19-2010, 11:19 AM	#15
NYRAGE Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,782	It's funny, because I thought King was owning Banks - at least in the beginning. I couldn't take listening to Banks, so I turned to the hockey station. I like that King did his research: like only 7 teams in the history of 440+ overtimes elected to go with defense first. He also said that in recent years (since all the changes to the rule book plus better efficiency of kickers), the team that wins the coin flip wins 60% of the time. Banks didn't have a rebuttal other than "and", "so". Banks did say that teams should make the stop on defense. King was trying to say that the offense has the advantage over the defense thanks to the rule changes (and moving the kick-off back to the 30) and that the coin flip was too much of a factor on winning game. Plus, Banks isn't exactly the most eloquent of speakers. It's not like I'm a big fan of King either. The debate sounded forced for radio to me. Just two guys picking opposite sides for a radio bit. Last edited by NYRAGE; 03-19-2010 at 11:23 AM.

03-19-2010, 09:42 AM	#2
Peebag being disappointed since January 13th, 1969 All Pro Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: great midwest -well not so great Posts: 7,108	Peter King, a great writer?????????? In what f*cked up parallel dimension are you living in????

03-19-2010, 09:46 AM	#3
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,806	[QUOTE=mcsully;3531653]Great back and forth debate with Peter King and Carl Banks regarding overtime changes.. Banks is killing him and I've never heard King off balance like this.. Sirius radio at its finest.. After hearing this, I've come to the conclusion King has great contacts and is a great writter [B]BUT has no more understanding of the actual game than us fans do[/B].[/QUOTE] What led you to believe that he did before? He probably gets a lot of great insights from people he talks to, but as to fundamental understanding of the game, I doubt he has any greater knowledge than your average football zealot. That goes for most journalists, not simply King.

03-19-2010, 09:49 AM	#4
mcsully licking my chops for Madden 12 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,733	[QUOTE=Peebag;3531657]Peter King, a great writer?????????? In what f*cked up parallel dimension are you living in????[/QUOTE] I enjoy his weekly column.. [QUOTE=crasherino;3531660]What led you to believe that he did before? He probably gets a lot of great insights from people he talks to, but as to fundamental understanding of the game, I doubt he has any greater knowledge than your average football zealot. That goes for most journalists, not simply King.[/QUOTE] THis is someting I just didn't think with him today.. But now i know ;)

03-19-2010, 09:51 AM	#5
WeskerLogan I think, therefore you're out Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Grove, New Jersey Posts: 6,762	King is a douchebag. Let's see if his precious Patriots lost out on a secret coin-toss..it'd be front page news on SI for weeks.

03-19-2010, 10:00 AM	#6
mcsully licking my chops for Madden 12 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,733	[QUOTE=WeskerLogan;3531668]King is a douchebag. Let's see if his precious Patriots lost out on a secret coin-toss..it'd be front page news on SI for weeks.[/QUOTE] Funny u say that because Pat fans dislike him..

03-19-2010, 10:35 AM	#7
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,352	why would they hate a guy who resides in Video Bill's sphincter 12 months a year

03-19-2010, 10:41 AM	#8
BigBensAngel7 the Seductive Temptress Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: home of the hot guy in my avatar.. oh baby! Posts: 4,462	[QUOTE=sg3;3531704]why would they hate a guy who resides in Video Bill's sphincter 12 months a year[/QUOTE] bc they are jeaolus they cant be in bill's sphincter..lol:D

03-19-2010, 11:02 AM	#9
NYJCAP2 All League Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 3,816	[QUOTE=crasherino;3531660]What led you to believe that he did before? He probably gets a lot of great insights from people he talks to, but as to fundamental understanding of the game, I doubt he has any greater knowledge than your average football zealot. That goes for most journalists, not simply King.[/QUOTE] So true. It's also why many former athletes are becoming television and radio personalities. They know the ins and outs of the sports better than a journalists and most of them actually have degrees and are able to put them to use. There's nothing wrong with a personality that hasn't played sports and doesn't pretend to know more than they do, alla Mike Greenberg. Then you have Golic, who was not a star, but knows how it works. That's why they're the best.

03-19-2010, 11:07 AM	#10
WeskerLogan I think, therefore you're out Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Grove, New Jersey Posts: 6,762	[QUOTE=mcsully;3531674]Funny u say that because Pat fans dislike him..[/QUOTE] ha really? He seems like such a Patriot apologist but that's not news.

03-19-2010, 11:08 AM	#11
sameoldjets All Pro Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,477	golic not a star? maybe not an all pro but he was good enough to play for nd on scholarship and then was drafted. he wasn't drafted higher because he had a bum shoulder. he was certainly a solid player for the browns. not disagreeing with most of your arguement just that golic was a far better player than you imply. [QUOTE=NYJCAP2;3531734]So true. It's also why many former athletes are becoming television and radio personalities. They know the ins and outs of the sports better than a journalists and most of them actually have degrees and are able to put them to use. There's nothing wrong with a personality that hasn't played sports and doesn't pretend to know more than they do, alla Mike Greenberg. Then you have Golic, who was not a star, but knows how it works. That's why they're the best.[/QUOTE]

03-19-2010, 11:10 AM	#12
TheMo All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,343	[QUOTE=BigBensAngel7;3531713]bc they are jeaolus they cant be in bill's sphincter..lol:D[/QUOTE] Lol well played, hats off to you my lady :D

03-19-2010, 11:10 AM	#13
Toooon All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,698	[QUOTE=NYJCAP2;3531734]So true. It's also why many former athletes are becoming television and radio personalities. They know the ins and outs of the sports better than a journalists and most of them actually have degrees and are able to put them to use. There's nothing wrong with a personality that hasn't played sports and doesn't pretend to know more than they do, alla Mike Greenberg. Then you have Golic, who was not a star, but knows how it works. That's why they're the best.[/QUOTE] That is a bunch of garbage. Most ex athletes, whether they know the "ins and outs" of the game, have a hard time articulating it over the air. There are exceptions - Dave Jennings is the best I've ever heard (and typical of the Jets that they fired him). But let's not act like sports such as football are rocket science. You can have a great understanding having played it as a kid or in high school, even if you never sniffed the NFL. And if you have a gift for communicating, that is far more valuable to a fan than hearing some ex-player making no sense and criticizing no one because he's in the fraternity of players (or coaches). I didn't hear the debate with King being discussed here, so not sure exactly what happened. And I am with most of you in absolutely hating Peter King. But I'd rather listen to him talking about the NFL than Carl Banks any day.

03-19-2010, 11:11 AM	#14
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,806	[QUOTE=mcsully;3531663]I enjoy his weekly column.. THis is someting I just didn't think with him today.. But now i know ;)[/QUOTE] The thing is, there are "football people" and everyone else. I'm pretty sure that I know more than the "average fan" about all things football....but, I am also pretty sure that if I am in the company of "football people" talking football, I will probably struggle to comprehend what the hell they are talking about. They speak in a different jargon that we may understand some of, but don't really have the fluency to really participate in. I think journalists, in general, lean more towards the fan side than the "football people" side.

03-19-2010, 11:20 AM	#16
32green The original road-kill pus slurper. MMMmmm pus. Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The depths of Despair. Posts: 37,672	I love Carl Banks, he knows the game and isnt afraid to speak his mind. He regularly straightens out Benigno and Roberts on their FAN show. I have no doubt he bufuddled the fat chowdophile. :yes:

03-19-2010, 11:28 AM	#17
WeskerLogan I think, therefore you're out Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Grove, New Jersey Posts: 6,762	with the internet, facebook, twitter, and all other forms of social media messaging in the present and the future; the "reporter" position is pretty much obsolete. They are fans who simply enjoy writing more than we do and obviously, more direct access..that's it...whatever Peter King, or Don Banks, or whomever else has an opinion it's no more different than what you may hear from one of us.

03-19-2010, 11:34 AM	#18
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,301	[QUOTE=32green;3531767]I love Carl Banks, he knows the game and isnt afraid to speak his mind. [B]He regularly straightens out Benigno and Roberts on their FAN show.[/B] I have no doubt he bufuddled the fat chowdophile. :yes:[/QUOTE] Not difficult to do... But I also like Banks. He knows his stuff.

03-19-2010, 11:36 AM	#19
Dirtstar Snubbed a man just to watch him cry. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,776	[QUOTE=32green;3531767]I love Carlton Banks :yes:[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa84/allie_90/thCarlton.gif[/IMG]

03-19-2010, 11:40 AM	#20
BigBensAngel7 the Seductive Temptress Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: home of the hot guy in my avatar.. oh baby! Posts: 4,462	[QUOTE=TheMo;3531744]Lol well played, hats off to you my lady :D[/QUOTE] thank you ... i just couldnt resist.:D