2 sacks from our starting OLB

New Jerzey Jet · 03-22-2010, 11:56 PM

As most of you know, in a 3-4 Defense the OLB's main responsibility is to rush the passer.

Bryan Thomas had two sacks this year, TWO. If we want to be a truly dominant defense, we need to get a top notch pass-rusher. People wonder why we never got pressure unless we sent the house. This is why. Getting a pass-rusher should be been our number 1 priority going into the draft. Hopefully we can pick up someone like Graham, Kindle, or Hughes in the 1st.

Bryan Thomas is a glaring weakness on our D and I don't get why no one ever brings this up.

Just for comparison here are some other OLB sack numbers:

Dumerville 17.5
Woodley 13.5
Ware 11
Banta-Cain 10
Harrison 10
Porter 9
Hali 8.5
Pace 8
Phillips 7

BT is possibly the worst starting 3-4 OLB in the league.

Johnny Drama · 03-22-2010, 11:59 PM

Terrible comparison.

Pace is the primary pass rusher, BT does a lot more of the dirty work.

Plus BT was a freaking STUD in the playoffs.

Gas2No99 · 03-22-2010, 11:59 PM

. . . . . .but, but he's good in coverage :huh:

SenorGato · 03-23-2010, 12:01 AM

Better DL = Better pass rush

Draft a developmental guy outside of the first. Better yet, play Gholston and watch him outplay BT in 2010.

10PennyToColes87 · 03-23-2010, 12:02 AM

BT's very solid against the run.

I'm far from his biggest fan, in fact I agree that upgrading OLB should be one of the primary draft needs. But the Jets have so much money tied up into its LB corps already, I doubt they'll shell out first-round money for another.

We SHOULD have had his replacement in Gholston but, well, you know how that's turning out.

New Jerzey Jet · 03-23-2010, 12:09 AM

[QUOTE=Johnny Drama;3534367]Terrible comparison.

Pace is the primary pass rusher, BT does a lot more of the dirty work.

Plus BT was a freaking STUD in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

what comparison?

I'm not really making a comparison, I'm just saying BT sucks lol

And Pace is a solid pass-rusher, but he's never had 10+ sacks. We need a guy that demands a double team if we truly want to be dominant. We shouldn't have to send 7 guys to get pressure.

and BT had one sack in the playoffs, yeah what a stud :rolleyes:

teddyld · 03-23-2010, 12:23 AM

Never fear Adalius will soon be here!! And with that BT will be traded for a pick. Write it down.

dbatesman · 03-23-2010, 12:30 AM

[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534364]Bryan Thomas is a glaring weakness on our D and I don't get why no one ever brings this up.[/QUOTE]

Because it's a painfully stupid and woefully inaccurate thing to say.

kdelgado · 03-23-2010, 12:34 AM

[QUOTE=dbatesman;3534384]Because it's a painfully stupid and woefully inaccurate thing to say.[/QUOTE]

But the sacks are the only thing that matters. Ignore that he's our only LB that can cover and he's real good against the run.

Johnny Drama · 03-23-2010, 12:46 AM

[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534375]what comparison?

I'm not really making a comparison, I'm just saying BT sucks lol

And Pace is a solid pass-rusher, but he's never had 10+ sacks. We need a guy that demands a double team if we truly want to be dominant. We shouldn't have to send 7 guys to get pressure.

and BT had one sack in the playoffs, yeah what a stud :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Dude, reread your post.

" Just for comparison, here are other teams best pass rusher sack totals"

Did you watch the playoffs, because don't tell me BT didn't elevate his game tremendously. He was never a double digit sack guy, but he's always been a solid player. If Pace plays a full season he's over 10 plus sacks.

We do need another rusher, that's what gholston was for. Drafting DL who can pass rush will help more.

New Jerzey Jet · 03-23-2010, 12:46 AM

[QUOTE=dbatesman;3534384]Because it's a painfully stupid and woefully inaccurate thing to say.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=kdelgado;3534385]But the sacks are the only thing that matters. Ignore that he's our only LB that can cover and he's real good against the run.[/QUOTE]

So two sacks from your primary pass-rusher position is good?

I know its not all about sacks, but hes not that great against the run, he's solid. 40 solo tackles really isn't that impressive.

Why do you think we drafted Gholston? To replace Bryan Thomas. Too bad Gholston is one of the biggest busts in the history of the Jets franchise.

If you guys are really counting on Gholston to solve our pass-rush problems all I can do is lmao

SONNY WERBLIN · 03-23-2010, 01:24 AM

[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534391]So two sacks from your [B]primary pass-rusher position[/B] is good?
[/QUOTE]

I am virtually certain that BT actually rushed the passer less often than any of the other starting LBs, Pace, Scott, Harris. Plus, A Rex Ryan D, does not have a primary pass rush "position", it simply allows more opportunitties for talented pass rushering LB's to get sacks, regardless of whether the LB plays inside or outside.

New Jerzey Jet · 03-23-2010, 01:34 AM

[QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;3534397]I am virtually certain that BT actually rushed the passer less often than any of the other starting LBs, Pace, Scott, Harris. Plus, A Rex Ryan D, does not have a primary pass rush "position", it simply allows more opportunitties for talented pass rushering LB's to get sacks, regardless of whether the LB plays inside or outside.[/QUOTE]

He didn't blitz because he's not a good pass-rusher.

In a 3-4 Defense your OLB's are your primary pass-rushers. Rex had to compensate for BT's lack of pass-rushing ability by sending Harris and Scott more often.

Johnny Drama · 03-23-2010, 01:42 AM

[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534400]He didn't blitz because he's not a good pass-rusher.

In a 3-4 Defense your OLB's are your primary pass-rushers. Rex had to compensate for BT's lack of pass-rushing ability by sending Harris and Scott more often.[/QUOTE]

We don't run a traditional 3/4. Rex moves and blitz's from everywhere.

We had Jenkins lineup at Mlb on plays before he got hurt, was that because Rex thought he was faster sideline to sideline than D Harris?

You can't get an all pro at every position Bt is a more than adequate starter.

New Jerzey Jet · 03-23-2010, 01:44 AM

If you look at mock drafts (outside of this forum), most people have us drafting Hughes or Kindle. Sometimes it's better to see an outside opinion because they don't overrate Jets players like some of us do on this forum.

People outside of this forum realize that we need a pass-rusher.

There's a reason why we blitz far more than any other team, and yet were only 18th in sacks.

New Jerzey Jet · 03-23-2010, 01:47 AM

[QUOTE=Johnny Drama;3534401]We don't run a traditional 3/4. Rex moves and blitz's from everywhere.

We had Jenkins lineup at Mlb on plays before he got hurt, was that because Rex thought he was faster sideline to sideline than D Harris?

You can't get an all pro at every position Bt is a more than adequate starter.[/QUOTE]

We don't have all pro's at every position.

All I'm trying to say is that getting a legitimate pass-rusher would make our D even more amazing than it already is.

Trade up for Graham please Tanny :)

Dimitri_0515 · 03-23-2010, 01:49 AM

The "sack" is the most overrated statistic in the league. Unless you have a player that has around the upper teens in sacks every year, you're talking about a statistic that happens maybe 10 times a season. I would consider a quarterback pressure or a tackle for loss a better statistic than a sack. Give me a player that has 20+ quarterback pressures and 20 TFL with 2 sacks and I'll take that player any day.

Dimitri_0515 · 03-23-2010, 01:51 AM

[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534404]If you look at mock drafts (outside of this forum), most people have us drafting Hughes or Kindle. Sometimes it's better to see an outside opinion because they don't overrate Jets players like some of us do on this forum.

People outside of this forum realize that we need a pass-rusher.

There's a reason why we blitz far more than any other team, and yet were only 18th in sacks.[/QUOTE]

Really? Most drafts I've seen including ESPN and NFL.com show us taking a WR in the 1st.

New Jerzey Jet · 03-23-2010, 01:59 AM

[QUOTE=Dimitri_0515;3534406]The "sack" is the most overrated statistic in the league. Unless you have a player that has around the upper teens in sacks every year, you're talking about a statistic that happens maybe 10 times a season. I would consider a quarterback pressure or a tackle for loss a better statistic than a sack. Give me a player that has 20+ quarterback pressures and 20 TFL with 2 sacks and I'll take that player any day.[/QUOTE]

Well he only had 13 QB Pressures and 40 solo tackles....

and there's no way we had anywhere close to 20 TFL's

[QUOTE=Dimitri_0515;3534407]Really? Most drafts I've seen including ESPN and NFL.com show us taking a WR in the 1st.[/QUOTE]

I'm not talking about the "supposed expects" Kiper and McShay

I'm talking about other knowledgeable football fans like us

Dimitri_0515 · 03-23-2010, 02:05 AM

[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534410]Well he only had 13 QB Pressures and 40 solo tackles....

and there's no way we had anywhere close to 20 TFL's

I'm not talking about the "supposed expects" Kiper and McShay

I'm talking about other knowledgeable football fans like us[/QUOTE]

Not saying that you're not knowledgable. Would I upgrade over BT if a better player came across? Absolutely. But we have other needs over him and he's been solid as a starter.

03-22-2010, 11:56 PM	#1
New Jerzey Jet Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,012	2 sacks from our starting OLB As most of you know, in a 3-4 Defense the OLB's main responsibility is to rush the passer. Bryan Thomas had two sacks this year, TWO. If we want to be a truly dominant defense, we need to get a top notch pass-rusher. People wonder why we never got pressure unless we sent the house. This is why. Getting a pass-rusher should be been our number 1 priority going into the draft. Hopefully we can pick up someone like Graham, Kindle, or Hughes in the 1st. Bryan Thomas is a glaring weakness on our D and I don't get why no one ever brings this up. Just for comparison here are some other OLB sack numbers: Dumerville 17.5 Woodley 13.5 Ware 11 Banta-Cain 10 Harrison 10 Porter 9 Hali 8.5 Pace 8 Phillips 7 BT is possibly the worst starting 3-4 OLB in the league.

03-23-2010, 12:01 AM	#4
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	Better DL = Better pass rush Draft a developmental guy outside of the first. Better yet, play Gholston and watch him outplay BT in 2010. Last edited by SenorGato; 03-23-2010 at 12:05 AM.

03-23-2010, 12:09 AM	#6
New Jerzey Jet Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,012	[QUOTE=Johnny Drama;3534367]Terrible comparison. Pace is the primary pass rusher, BT does a lot more of the dirty work. Plus BT was a freaking STUD in the playoffs.[/QUOTE] what comparison? I'm not really making a comparison, I'm just saying BT sucks lol And Pace is a solid pass-rusher, but he's never had 10+ sacks. We need a guy that demands a double team if we truly want to be dominant. We shouldn't have to send 7 guys to get pressure. and BT had one sack in the playoffs, yeah what a stud :rolleyes: Last edited by New Jerzey Jet; 03-23-2010 at 12:11 AM.

03-23-2010, 12:46 AM	#11
New Jerzey Jet Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,012	[QUOTE=dbatesman;3534384]Because it's a painfully stupid and woefully inaccurate thing to say.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kdelgado;3534385]But the sacks are the only thing that matters. Ignore that he's our only LB that can cover and he's real good against the run.[/QUOTE] So two sacks from your primary pass-rusher position is good? I know its not all about sacks, but hes not that great against the run, he's solid. 40 solo tackles really isn't that impressive. Why do you think we drafted Gholston? To replace Bryan Thomas. Too bad Gholston is one of the biggest busts in the history of the Jets franchise. If you guys are really counting on Gholston to solve our pass-rush problems all I can do is lmao Last edited by New Jerzey Jet; 03-23-2010 at 12:52 AM.

03-23-2010, 01:47 AM	#16
New Jerzey Jet Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,012	[QUOTE=Johnny Drama;3534401]We don't run a traditional 3/4. Rex moves and blitz's from everywhere. We had Jenkins lineup at Mlb on plays before he got hurt, was that because Rex thought he was faster sideline to sideline than D Harris? You can't get an all pro at every position Bt is a more than adequate starter.[/QUOTE] We don't have all pro's at every position. All I'm trying to say is that getting a legitimate pass-rusher would make our D even more amazing than it already is. Trade up for Graham please Tanny :) Last edited by New Jerzey Jet; 03-23-2010 at 01:49 AM.

03-22-2010, 11:59 PM	#2
Johnny Drama Rookie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 636	Terrible comparison. Pace is the primary pass rusher, BT does a lot more of the dirty work. Plus BT was a freaking STUD in the playoffs.

03-22-2010, 11:59 PM	#3
Gas2No99 Patiently waiting for disappointment once again All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 245-A Posts: 2,941	. . . . . .but, but he's good in coverage :huh:

03-23-2010, 12:02 AM	#5
10PennyToColes87 What the did you just say about me, you little *? Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: SoFla Posts: 15,418	BT's very solid against the run. I'm far from his biggest fan, in fact I agree that upgrading OLB should be one of the primary draft needs. But the Jets have so much money tied up into its LB corps already, I doubt they'll shell out first-round money for another. We SHOULD have had his replacement in Gholston but, well, you know how that's turning out.

03-23-2010, 12:23 AM	#7
teddyld Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 133	Never fear Adalius will soon be here!! And with that BT will be traded for a pick. Write it down.

03-23-2010, 12:30 AM	#8
dbatesman Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Champaign, IL by way of Freehold, NJ Posts: 3,808	[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534364]Bryan Thomas is a glaring weakness on our D and I don't get why no one ever brings this up.[/QUOTE] Because it's a painfully stupid and woefully inaccurate thing to say.

03-23-2010, 12:34 AM	#9
kdelgado Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ithaca College by way of New Jersey Posts: 1,589	[QUOTE=dbatesman;3534384]Because it's a painfully stupid and woefully inaccurate thing to say.[/QUOTE] But the sacks are the only thing that matters. Ignore that he's our only LB that can cover and he's real good against the run.

03-23-2010, 01:24 AM	#12
SONNY WERBLIN FREE BORGO!!!! Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,402	[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534391]So two sacks from your [B]primary pass-rusher position[/B] is good? [/QUOTE] I am virtually certain that BT actually rushed the passer less often than any of the other starting LBs, Pace, Scott, Harris. Plus, A Rex Ryan D, does not have a primary pass rush "position", it simply allows more opportunitties for talented pass rushering LB's to get sacks, regardless of whether the LB plays inside or outside.

03-23-2010, 01:34 AM	#13
New Jerzey Jet Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,012	[QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;3534397]I am virtually certain that BT actually rushed the passer less often than any of the other starting LBs, Pace, Scott, Harris. Plus, A Rex Ryan D, does not have a primary pass rush "position", it simply allows more opportunitties for talented pass rushering LB's to get sacks, regardless of whether the LB plays inside or outside.[/QUOTE] He didn't blitz because he's not a good pass-rusher. In a 3-4 Defense your OLB's are your primary pass-rushers. Rex had to compensate for BT's lack of pass-rushing ability by sending Harris and Scott more often.

03-23-2010, 01:42 AM	#14
Johnny Drama Rookie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 636	[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534400]He didn't blitz because he's not a good pass-rusher. In a 3-4 Defense your OLB's are your primary pass-rushers. Rex had to compensate for BT's lack of pass-rushing ability by sending Harris and Scott more often.[/QUOTE] We don't run a traditional 3/4. Rex moves and blitz's from everywhere. We had Jenkins lineup at Mlb on plays before he got hurt, was that because Rex thought he was faster sideline to sideline than D Harris? You can't get an all pro at every position Bt is a more than adequate starter.

03-23-2010, 01:44 AM	#15
New Jerzey Jet Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,012	If you look at mock drafts (outside of this forum), most people have us drafting Hughes or Kindle. Sometimes it's better to see an outside opinion because they don't overrate Jets players like some of us do on this forum. People outside of this forum realize that we need a pass-rusher. There's a reason why we blitz far more than any other team, and yet were only 18th in sacks.

03-23-2010, 01:49 AM	#17
Dimitri_0515 Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,182	The "sack" is the most overrated statistic in the league. Unless you have a player that has around the upper teens in sacks every year, you're talking about a statistic that happens maybe 10 times a season. I would consider a quarterback pressure or a tackle for loss a better statistic than a sack. Give me a player that has 20+ quarterback pressures and 20 TFL with 2 sacks and I'll take that player any day.

03-23-2010, 01:51 AM	#18
Dimitri_0515 Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,182	[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534404]If you look at mock drafts (outside of this forum), most people have us drafting Hughes or Kindle. Sometimes it's better to see an outside opinion because they don't overrate Jets players like some of us do on this forum. People outside of this forum realize that we need a pass-rusher. There's a reason why we blitz far more than any other team, and yet were only 18th in sacks.[/QUOTE] Really? Most drafts I've seen including ESPN and NFL.com show us taking a WR in the 1st.

03-23-2010, 01:59 AM	#19
New Jerzey Jet Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,012	[QUOTE=Dimitri_0515;3534406]The "sack" is the most overrated statistic in the league. Unless you have a player that has around the upper teens in sacks every year, you're talking about a statistic that happens maybe 10 times a season. I would consider a quarterback pressure or a tackle for loss a better statistic than a sack. Give me a player that has 20+ quarterback pressures and 20 TFL with 2 sacks and I'll take that player any day.[/QUOTE] Well he only had 13 QB Pressures and 40 solo tackles.... and there's no way we had anywhere close to 20 TFL's [QUOTE=Dimitri_0515;3534407]Really? Most drafts I've seen including ESPN and NFL.com show us taking a WR in the 1st.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about the "supposed expects" Kiper and McShay I'm talking about other knowledgeable football fans like us

03-23-2010, 02:05 AM	#20
Dimitri_0515 Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,182	[QUOTE=New Jerzey Jet;3534410]Well he only had 13 QB Pressures and 40 solo tackles.... and there's no way we had anywhere close to 20 TFL's I'm not talking about the "supposed expects" Kiper and McShay I'm talking about other knowledgeable football fans like us[/QUOTE] Not saying that you're not knowledgable. Would I upgrade over BT if a better player came across? Absolutely. But we have other needs over him and he's been solid as a starter.