The defense is better than last year

Chupa · 11-22-2010, 09:34 PM

Statistically, we are ranked higher than last year at this point in the season.

The "pass rush" was basically the same last year, Jets have more sacks than last year.

We have played significantly tougher competition this year.

While the team gave up late drives to the Browns and the Texans, it came up big against the dolphins, pats, broncos, vikings, and lions late in games. Last year, the defense was SIGNIFICANTLY worse in game winning situations.

The entire team is playing inconsistently. THe defense was BRILLIANT for 3 1/2 quarters last week, they just need to put complete games together.

bleedgreen03 · 11-22-2010, 10:42 PM

rex pointed this out today on open mic...it definitely is reason to be optimistic that they can start really steam rolling as the end of the season and playoff time comes around but the truth is last year you expected some growing pains with a new system and now with a year under most players belts you would have expected they be a bit more dominant this season...we are 8-2 and haven't played our best football so I have no complaints at all

david1023 · 11-22-2010, 10:50 PM

Stats schmats, I'll take the best record in the league (tied) over the best stats in the league. Thank you.

For the first 8 weeks the Chargers or their fans could care less how high they ranked on the stats when they sucked at getting the W.

JB1089 · 11-22-2010, 11:05 PM

I thought the goal was to lead the league in ****in' wins? I didn't see anything about leading the league in sacks or total defense.

long island leprechaun · 11-23-2010, 06:39 AM

[QUOTE=JB1089;3830408]I thought the goal was to lead the league in ****in' wins? I didn't see anything about leading the league in sacks or total defense.[/QUOTE]

C'mon now. The OP is just responding to all the posts about how bad our defense is this year compared to last. I agree, and I'm sure OP agrees, that wins are the bottom line. The question is are we heading in the right direction defensively. I would add that the same argument is being made about the offense. If we had a 60/40 balance to the run game this year, we would be 5-5. We have much better balance as an offense and are in a learning curve with a range of new talent and options. The fact that we're 8-2 while doing so is pretty damn good. The red zone will come, just as the penalties have started to improve (with the exception of the idiotic Rob Turner). I think everyone agrees that the Jets have a higher ceiling than their performances thusfar. That's everything. We're NOT overachievers.

frankiepapa · 11-23-2010, 07:07 AM

As hard as it is to watch the defense crumble like it did late Sunday, the Jets held the Texans to 7 points through 3 quarters and forced a lot of three and out throughout the game. I think Houston was 4-12 on thrird down as well. I would rather a blown coverage be the reason a team scores as opposed to just being a bad defense which we are far from. We are still stout against the run and are getting better against the pass. It's just the timing where we give up plays that creates the issues. This team will tighten things up, there are too many experienced defensive players as well as a great deal of coaching knowledge on the sidelines!!

jetman in indy · 11-23-2010, 07:32 AM

It sure doesn't feel like our defense is better than last year!

JamesR · 11-23-2010, 07:43 AM

I think the one area that is most concerning is our record on 3rd downs - I think on Sunday they showed a graphic that said we rank LAST IN THE LEAGUE on 3rd downs defensively. Whether that's due to pass rush or coverage or whatever, if we could improve on that even a little bit, it'd make a huge difference - controls time of possession, gives our O a shorter field to work with, all that good stuff.

Winstonbiggs · 11-23-2010, 07:50 AM

[QUOTE=frankiepapa;3830513]As hard as it is to watch the defense crumble like it did late Sunday, the Jets held the Texans to 7 points through 3 quarters and forced a lot of three and out throughout the game. I think Houston was 4-12 on thrird down as well. I would rather a blown coverage be the reason a team scores as opposed to just being a bad defense which we are far from. We are still stout against the run and are getting better against the pass. It's just the timing where we give up plays that creates the issues. This team will tighten things up, there are too many experienced defensive players as well as a great deal of coaching knowledge on the sidelines!![/QUOTE]

Reality is the game is 4 quarters. Matt Shaub looked like a deer in the headlights through much of the first half. I think he had a left over tick from last years game. When he finally figured out that there was no pressure and settled his feet down the D was picked apart.

The Jets D is slowly sliding down the team stat line every week while the O is slowly moving up the stat line every week.

Don't forget even though our O doesn't score a ton it does own TOP and that means our D is defending less plays than most teams every week.

Apache 51 · 11-23-2010, 07:53 AM

The D has had some bad series where they have allowed points and the O has bailed them out, however, a D can only hold so long O has to put up points while the D is holding the opponent to 16 an under for most of the game. Nobody said this D is like the Bears,Ravens, or Giants great D's so it takes all 3 phases to win.

MCBNY · 11-23-2010, 08:15 AM

No way in hell they're better this year. The team is better because the passing game is better.

Winstonbiggs · 11-23-2010, 08:35 AM

[QUOTE=Chupa;3830297]Statistically, we are ranked higher than last year at this point in the season.

The "pass rush" was basically the same last year, Jets have more sacks than last year.

We have played significantly tougher competition this year.

While the team gave up late drives to the Browns and the Texans, it came up big against the dolphins, pats, broncos, vikings, and lions late in games. Last year, the defense was SIGNIFICANTLY worse in game winning situations.

The entire team is playing inconsistently. THe defense was BRILLIANT for 3 1/2 quarters last week, they just need to put complete games together.[/QUOTE]

This year we have played teams to date with a combined 44 & 56 record. 3 Teams with winning records, 1 team at 500 and 6 teams with lossing records.

Through 10 games last year we played 4 teams with winning records, 1 team with a 500 record and 5 teams with lossing records. Their combined records for the year was 82 and 78.

We played tougher competition last year.

Last year the pass D ranked first in Yards let up, first in TD's let up and 13th in INT's

This year we rank 16th in passing yards let up, 11th in passing TD's let up and 30th in INT's.

The pass D is significantly worse this year.

nycdan · 11-23-2010, 09:16 AM

Rex needs to fire his math geek and get himself a new one. Claiming this defense is ahead of last year's just sounds stupid. Now if he said "our defense in the first three quarters is ahead of where it was last year" I would consider agreeing. How's that gonna feel in the 4th quarter against the Patriots when we're up by 6 with 2 minutes left?

Gastineau99 · 11-23-2010, 09:45 AM

[QUOTE=JamesR;3830532]I think the one area that is most concerning is our record on 3rd downs - I think on Sunday they showed a graphic that said we rank LAST IN THE LEAGUE on 3rd downs defensively. Whether that's due to pass rush or coverage or whatever, if we could improve on that even a little bit, it'd make a huge difference - controls time of possession, gives our O a shorter field to work with, all that good stuff.[/QUOTE]

The 3rd down % hasn't been an issue since the Minnesota game. The D has been great on 3rd down the past 5-6 weeks.

11-22-2010, 09:34 PM	#1
Chupa All League Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,279	The defense is better than last year Statistically, we are ranked higher than last year at this point in the season. The "pass rush" was basically the same last year, Jets have more sacks than last year. We have played significantly tougher competition this year. While the team gave up late drives to the Browns and the Texans, it came up big against the dolphins, pats, broncos, vikings, and lions late in games. Last year, the defense was SIGNIFICANTLY worse in game winning situations. The entire team is playing inconsistently. THe defense was BRILLIANT for 3 1/2 quarters last week, they just need to put complete games together.

11-22-2010, 10:42 PM	#2
bleedgreen03 sanchez has that NY swagger All League Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 971	rex pointed this out today on open mic...it definitely is reason to be optimistic that they can start really steam rolling as the end of the season and playoff time comes around but the truth is last year you expected some growing pains with a new system and now with a year under most players belts you would have expected they be a bit more dominant this season...we are 8-2 and haven't played our best football so I have no complaints at all

11-22-2010, 10:50 PM	#3
david1023 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 775	Stats schmats, I'll take the best record in the league (tied) over the best stats in the league. Thank you. For the first 8 weeks the Chargers or their fans could care less how high they ranked on the stats when they sucked at getting the W.

11-22-2010, 11:05 PM	#4
JB1089 Now is the time... All Pro Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,710	I thought the goal was to lead the league in ****in' wins? I didn't see anything about leading the league in sacks or total defense.

11-23-2010, 06:39 AM	#5
long island leprechaun Don't mess with Angel Eyes. All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: greenwich village, NYC Posts: 7,219	[QUOTE=JB1089;3830408]I thought the goal was to lead the league in ****in' wins? I didn't see anything about leading the league in sacks or total defense.[/QUOTE] C'mon now. The OP is just responding to all the posts about how bad our defense is this year compared to last. I agree, and I'm sure OP agrees, that wins are the bottom line. The question is are we heading in the right direction defensively. I would add that the same argument is being made about the offense. If we had a 60/40 balance to the run game this year, we would be 5-5. We have much better balance as an offense and are in a learning curve with a range of new talent and options. The fact that we're 8-2 while doing so is pretty damn good. The red zone will come, just as the penalties have started to improve (with the exception of the idiotic Rob Turner). I think everyone agrees that the Jets have a higher ceiling than their performances thusfar. That's everything. We're NOT overachievers.

11-23-2010, 07:07 AM	#6
frankiepapa hopes to bring back braylon and holmes All League Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,528	As hard as it is to watch the defense crumble like it did late Sunday, the Jets held the Texans to 7 points through 3 quarters and forced a lot of three and out throughout the game. I think Houston was 4-12 on thrird down as well. I would rather a blown coverage be the reason a team scores as opposed to just being a bad defense which we are far from. We are still stout against the run and are getting better against the pass. It's just the timing where we give up plays that creates the issues. This team will tighten things up, there are too many experienced defensive players as well as a great deal of coaching knowledge on the sidelines!!

11-23-2010, 07:32 AM	#7
jetman in indy I bleed green Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 846	It sure doesn't feel like our defense is better than last year!

11-23-2010, 07:43 AM	#8
JamesR All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 4,812	I think the one area that is most concerning is our record on 3rd downs - I think on Sunday they showed a graphic that said we rank LAST IN THE LEAGUE on 3rd downs defensively. Whether that's due to pass rush or coverage or whatever, if we could improve on that even a little bit, it'd make a huge difference - controls time of possession, gives our O a shorter field to work with, all that good stuff.

11-23-2010, 07:50 AM	#9
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,919	[QUOTE=frankiepapa;3830513]As hard as it is to watch the defense crumble like it did late Sunday, the Jets held the Texans to 7 points through 3 quarters and forced a lot of three and out throughout the game. I think Houston was 4-12 on thrird down as well. I would rather a blown coverage be the reason a team scores as opposed to just being a bad defense which we are far from. We are still stout against the run and are getting better against the pass. It's just the timing where we give up plays that creates the issues. This team will tighten things up, there are too many experienced defensive players as well as a great deal of coaching knowledge on the sidelines!![/QUOTE] Reality is the game is 4 quarters. Matt Shaub looked like a deer in the headlights through much of the first half. I think he had a left over tick from last years game. When he finally figured out that there was no pressure and settled his feet down the D was picked apart. The Jets D is slowly sliding down the team stat line every week while the O is slowly moving up the stat line every week. Don't forget even though our O doesn't score a ton it does own TOP and that means our D is defending less plays than most teams every week.

11-23-2010, 07:53 AM	#10
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,624	The D has had some bad series where they have allowed points and the O has bailed them out, however, a D can only hold so long O has to put up points while the D is holding the opponent to 16 an under for most of the game. Nobody said this D is like the Bears,Ravens, or Giants great D's so it takes all 3 phases to win.

11-23-2010, 08:15 AM	#11
MCBNY Token Liberal All League Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,973	No way in hell they're better this year. The team is better because the passing game is better.

11-23-2010, 08:35 AM	#12
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,919	[QUOTE=Chupa;3830297]Statistically, we are ranked higher than last year at this point in the season. The "pass rush" was basically the same last year, Jets have more sacks than last year. We have played significantly tougher competition this year. While the team gave up late drives to the Browns and the Texans, it came up big against the dolphins, pats, broncos, vikings, and lions late in games. Last year, the defense was SIGNIFICANTLY worse in game winning situations. The entire team is playing inconsistently. THe defense was BRILLIANT for 3 1/2 quarters last week, they just need to put complete games together.[/QUOTE] This year we have played teams to date with a combined 44 & 56 record. 3 Teams with winning records, 1 team at 500 and 6 teams with lossing records. Through 10 games last year we played 4 teams with winning records, 1 team with a 500 record and 5 teams with lossing records. Their combined records for the year was 82 and 78. We played tougher competition last year. Last year the pass D ranked first in Yards let up, first in TD's let up and 13th in INT's This year we rank 16th in passing yards let up, 11th in passing TD's let up and 30th in INT's. The pass D is significantly worse this year.

11-23-2010, 09:16 AM	#13
nycdan I'm tired of pretending I'm not a total b1tchen rock star from Mars. All League Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Thornwood, NY Posts: 4,781	Rex needs to fire his math geek and get himself a new one. Claiming this defense is ahead of last year's just sounds stupid. Now if he said "our defense in the first three quarters is ahead of where it was last year" I would consider agreeing. How's that gonna feel in the 4th quarter against the Patriots when we're up by 6 with 2 minutes left?

11-23-2010, 09:45 AM	#14
Gastineau99 Section 135 All Pro Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,344	[QUOTE=JamesR;3830532]I think the one area that is most concerning is our record on 3rd downs - I think on Sunday they showed a graphic that said we rank LAST IN THE LEAGUE on 3rd downs defensively. Whether that's due to pass rush or coverage or whatever, if we could improve on that even a little bit, it'd make a huge difference - controls time of possession, gives our O a shorter field to work with, all that good stuff.[/QUOTE] The 3rd down % hasn't been an issue since the Minnesota game. The D has been great on 3rd down the past 5-6 weeks.