Gronk's new Deal

Eckesg1 · 06-08-2012, 12:33 PM

Per Adam Schefter

Rob Gronkowski's 6-year, $54 million deal makes him the highest paud tight end in NFL history.

Welker must be a bit pissed right now

DDNYjets · 06-08-2012, 12:37 PM

Now this is a steal by the Pats. Not the other BS they have been doing for years.

Guess that will leave Welker and Hernandez out in the cold. Also means Keller is worth $3MM a year. He is about a third of the player Gronk is.

JB1089 · 06-08-2012, 12:40 PM

That's a huge extension for a guy going into his 3rd year.

patsfanken · 06-08-2012, 12:40 PM

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487423]Per Adam Schefter

Rob Gronkowski's 6-year, $54 million deal makes him the highest paud tight end in NFL history.

Welker must be a bit pissed right now[/QUOTE]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes:

BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.

Eckesg1 · 06-08-2012, 12:43 PM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes:

BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE]

Wes Welker has been there longer and has contributed more to that team than Gronkowski has so far. He is considered by some to be the best receiver in the NFL. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Especially considering Gronkowski's coming off an injury.

Tony Danza · 06-08-2012, 12:43 PM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes:

BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE]

Can we ban this troll who is clearly trying to make Gronks deal about Santonio Holmes???

Jet Nut · 06-08-2012, 12:46 PM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes:

BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE]

You guys cant do anything without comparing it to the Jets.

It's why there are so many Pats trolls here.

No group of fans anywhere so desperate for validation.

Eckesg1 · 06-08-2012, 12:46 PM

In terms of locking up a good player, its a great deal. Its just going to piss some other people off. We've seen this before from the Patriots. when they got rid of Deion Branch in the mid 2000's.

AFCEastFan · 06-08-2012, 12:47 PM

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487436]Wes Welker has been there longer and has contributed more to that team than Gronkowski has so far. He is considered by some to be the best receiver in the NFL. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Especially considering Gronkowski's coming off an injury.[/QUOTE]

He can be pissed all he wants, but Gronkowski is objectively more important to the team than Welker and is being treated accordingly.

Eckesg1 · 06-08-2012, 12:49 PM

[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4487440]He can be pissed all he wants, but Gronkowski is objectively more important to the team than Welker and is being treated accordingly.[/QUOTE]

That's fine. I'm just saying that there will be the consequences.

patsfanken · 06-08-2012, 12:53 PM

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4487427]Now this is a steal by the Pats. Not the other BS they have been doing for years.

Guess that will leave Welker and Hernandez out in the cold. Also means Keller is worth $3MM a year. He is about a third of the player Gronk is.[/QUOTE]I think you're right about Welker. It seems cold, since Welker is such a consummate Patriot, but its probably the best business decision. His age, size, and position (slot receiver) all mitigate against giving him a long term contract (over 2 years) at market rates.

Under the franchise tag they Pats can pay him a market rate for this year, and let him walk in 2013. Better a year too early than a year too late. When WRs of his age and size start to go, they go fast. The Pats offered him 2 years and 16MM guaranteed, but he turned it down. I think that's the best he can get....from the Pats at least.

Hernandez is another story. It might be easier to replace his skills than to tie up so much money on the receiver position with another big contract The Jets have proven that in the long run its not good sense to pay everyone (though they have tried mightily ;) ). So I see Hernandez staying for another 2 years before the Market makes him too expensive. Its enough time to find a replacement. One good thing about receivers, there are always another crop of "can't miss" guys every year.

Sroger · 06-08-2012, 12:54 PM

[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487441]That's fine. I'm just saying that there will be the consequences.[/QUOTE]

What consequences? Objectively speaking, Welker is a receiver on the wrong side of 30 and is making 9 million this season. The Pats hold all the power. Lock up the best tight end in football for the better part of the next decade or worry about pissing off Welker, who at best has 2-3 more seasons in the NFL.

Jet Nut · 06-08-2012, 12:54 PM

[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4487440]He can be pissed all he wants, but Gronkowski is objectively more important to the team than Welker and is being treated accordingly.[/QUOTE]

You can say this all you want, and it may even be true.

But nothing p1sses off players and a team more than the perception that long term contributors and loyalty are not appreciated by management and ownership.

Especially one who did all that he did to put his body back together to help his team

patsfanken · 06-08-2012, 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4487438]You guys cant do anything without comparing it to the Jets.

It's why there are so many Pats trolls here.

No group of fans anywhere so desperate for validation.[/QUOTE] Cmon JN that Santonio connection is just a dig at Holmes, not so much the Jets. I just HATE him. Can't explain it any other way. I'd hate him if he were a Patriot. He doesn't deserve your loyalty. He's a bad guy.

BTW-What's the purpose of posting on a Jets board if you can't relate your post to the Jets??????? ESPECIALLY in a Pats related thread

Jordy · 06-08-2012, 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes:

BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE]
So your first post in this thread about a patsie player signing a contract is to flame and be a troll and diss a Jets player.

Nice job Ken.

ASG0531 · 06-08-2012, 01:02 PM

[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4487447]You can say this all you want, and it may even be true.

But nothing p1sses off players and a team more than the perception that long term contributors and loyalty are not appreciated by management and ownership.

Especially one who did all that he did to put his body back together to help his team[/QUOTE]

Awww, don't you just HOPE that Welker will get all mad and cause a problem for the Pats? Wouldn't that just make your day? This is a great deal for the Pats, HOPEFULLY something bad comes out of it, right?

FF2® · 06-08-2012, 01:02 PM

This cant be right.

Knowledgeable Jets fans told the Pats don't pay and Gronk would be walking.

I'm so confused.:confused:

GuidoYaztremski · 06-08-2012, 01:04 PM

[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4487447]You can say this all you want, and it may even be true.

But nothing p1sses off players and a team more than the perception that long term contributors and loyalty are not appreciated by management and ownership.

Especially one who did all that he did to put his body back together to help his team[/QUOTE]

Welker himself has said he's got 9 million reasons not to be pissed. By all reports, both sides are trying to work out a long term deal. My guess is the sticking point is less about $$$ and more about length of contract, seeing that Welker is on the wrong side of 30 and has taken so much abuse over the middle. Even if Pats franchise Wes again next year, he'll have made more money that in his entire tenure in the league. Doubt players will be pissed about that, as much as you pray that's the case. Most players understand the business side of things. Somehow the team survived when tough business decisions meant letting go popular players like Law, Assante, Milloy, and others.

What's really funny is all the experts here who said the Pats will lose Gronk because they are too cheap to pay him.

Choon328 · 06-08-2012, 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes:

BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE]

Genius! You just gave $54 million to a TE?! I don't care how productive he is that's a lot of money to tie up in a TE. Especially when he had 2 years remaining on his rookie contract and then you could have franchised him for 2 years at 60% of what he's going to make on this contract per year. IMO it was pretty stupid. You could have def spent that money on your secondary next year in free agency b/c that's the weakest part of your team. I'm sure you'll spin it to look like this is a good deal but it isn't. He's a great player but the deal wasn't necessary and it takes away money that could be spend on making the Patriots better.

Tony Danza · 06-08-2012, 01:07 PM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487451]Cmon JN that Santonio connection is just a dig at Holmes, not so much the Jets. I just HATE him. Can't explain it any other way. I'd hate him if he were a Patriot. He doesn't deserve your loyalty. He's a bad guy.

BTW-What's the purpose of posting on a Jets board if you can't relate your post to the Jets??????? ESPECIALLY in a Pats related thread[/QUOTE]

Dont act all naive and innoncent when its painfully obvious you are purposely trying to de-rail a thread into a Holmes bash fest.

Stay inside the various Holmes thread if thats all you are concerned about and give up the "Aww who me" act its horrendous.

06-08-2012, 12:33 PM	#1
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,352	Gronk's new Deal Per Adam Schefter Rob Gronkowski's 6-year, $54 million deal makes him the highest paud tight end in NFL history. Welker must be a bit pissed right now

06-08-2012, 12:37 PM	#2
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,213	Now this is a steal by the Pats. Not the other BS they have been doing for years. Guess that will leave Welker and Hernandez out in the cold. Also means Keller is worth $3MM a year. He is about a third of the player Gronk is.

06-08-2012, 12:40 PM	#3
JB1089 Now is the time... All Pro Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,710	That's a huge extension for a guy going into his 3rd year.

06-08-2012, 12:40 PM	#4
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487423]Per Adam Schefter Rob Gronkowski's 6-year, $54 million deal makes him the highest paud tight end in NFL history. Welker must be a bit pissed right now[/QUOTE]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes: BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.

06-08-2012, 12:43 PM	#5
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,352	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes: BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE] Wes Welker has been there longer and has contributed more to that team than Gronkowski has so far. He is considered by some to be the best receiver in the NFL. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Especially considering Gronkowski's coming off an injury.

06-08-2012, 12:43 PM	#6
Tony Danza All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,696	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes: BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE] Can we ban this troll who is clearly trying to make Gronks deal about Santonio Holmes???

06-08-2012, 12:46 PM	#7
Jet Nut Wise madness is better than foolish sanity.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Manalapan Posts: 11,062	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes: BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE] You guys cant do anything without comparing it to the Jets. It's why there are so many Pats trolls here. No group of fans anywhere so desperate for validation.

06-08-2012, 12:47 PM	#9
AFCEastFan Money now -- and a lot more when I get into that office. You can take that to the bank. All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,026	[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487436]Wes Welker has been there longer and has contributed more to that team than Gronkowski has so far. He is considered by some to be the best receiver in the NFL. Why wouldn't he be pissed? Especially considering Gronkowski's coming off an injury.[/QUOTE] He can be pissed all he wants, but Gronkowski is objectively more important to the team than Welker and is being treated accordingly.

06-08-2012, 12:49 PM	#10
Eckesg1 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,352	[QUOTE=AFCEastFan;4487440]He can be pissed all he wants, but Gronkowski is objectively more important to the team than Welker and is being treated accordingly.[/QUOTE] That's fine. I'm just saying that there will be the consequences.

06-08-2012, 12:53 PM	#11
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4487427]Now this is a steal by the Pats. Not the other BS they have been doing for years. Guess that will leave Welker and Hernandez out in the cold. Also means Keller is worth $3MM a year. He is about a third of the player Gronk is.[/QUOTE]I think you're right about Welker. It seems cold, since Welker is such a consummate Patriot, but its probably the best business decision. His age, size, and position (slot receiver) all mitigate against giving him a long term contract (over 2 years) at market rates. Under the franchise tag they Pats can pay him a market rate for this year, and let him walk in 2013. Better a year too early than a year too late. When WRs of his age and size start to go, they go fast. The Pats offered him 2 years and 16MM guaranteed, but he turned it down. I think that's the best he can get....from the Pats at least. Hernandez is another story. It might be easier to replace his skills than to tie up so much money on the receiver position with another big contract The Jets have proven that in the long run its not good sense to pay everyone (though they have tried mightily ;) ). So I see Hernandez staying for another 2 years before the Market makes him too expensive. Its enough time to find a replacement. One good thing about receivers, there are always another crop of "can't miss" guys every year.

06-08-2012, 12:54 PM	#12
Sroger Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 43	[QUOTE=Eckesg1;4487441]That's fine. I'm just saying that there will be the consequences.[/QUOTE] What consequences? Objectively speaking, Welker is a receiver on the wrong side of 30 and is making 9 million this season. The Pats hold all the power. Lock up the best tight end in football for the better part of the next decade or worry about pissing off Welker, who at best has 2-3 more seasons in the NFL.

06-08-2012, 12:57 PM	#14
patsfanken Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: N.Attleboro, MA Posts: 3,725	[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4487438]You guys cant do anything without comparing it to the Jets. It's why there are so many Pats trolls here. No group of fans anywhere so desperate for validation.[/QUOTE] Cmon JN that Santonio connection is just a dig at Holmes, not so much the Jets. I just HATE him. Can't explain it any other way. I'd hate him if he were a Patriot. He doesn't deserve your loyalty. He's a bad guy. BTW-What's the purpose of posting on a Jets board if you can't relate your post to the Jets??????? ESPECIALLY in a Pats related thread

06-08-2012, 12:57 PM	#15
Jordy Keeping it real... Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tårnby, Denmark Posts: 23,145	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes: BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE] So your first post in this thread about a patsie player signing a contract is to flame and be a troll and diss a Jets player. Nice job Ken.

06-08-2012, 01:02 PM	#16
ASG0531 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,711	[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4487447]You can say this all you want, and it may even be true. But nothing p1sses off players and a team more than the perception that long term contributors and loyalty are not appreciated by management and ownership. Especially one who did all that he did to put his body back together to help his team[/QUOTE] Awww, don't you just HOPE that Welker will get all mad and cause a problem for the Pats? Wouldn't that just make your day? This is a great deal for the Pats, HOPEFULLY something bad comes out of it, right?

06-08-2012, 01:02 PM	#17
FF2® Believes Sloppy Guy was involved JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46,102	This cant be right. Knowledgeable Jets fans told the Pats don't pay and Gronk would be walking. I'm so confused.:confused:

06-08-2012, 01:04 PM	#18
GuidoYaztremski Tuukka Rask!!! All League Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,599	[QUOTE=Jet Nut;4487447]You can say this all you want, and it may even be true. But nothing p1sses off players and a team more than the perception that long term contributors and loyalty are not appreciated by management and ownership. Especially one who did all that he did to put his body back together to help his team[/QUOTE] Welker himself has said he's got 9 million reasons not to be pissed. By all reports, both sides are trying to work out a long term deal. My guess is the sticking point is less about $$$ and more about length of contract, seeing that Welker is on the wrong side of 30 and has taken so much abuse over the middle. Even if Pats franchise Wes again next year, he'll have made more money that in his entire tenure in the league. Doubt players will be pissed about that, as much as you pray that's the case. Most players understand the business side of things. Somehow the team survived when tough business decisions meant letting go popular players like Law, Assante, Milloy, and others. What's really funny is all the experts here who said the Pats will lose Gronk because they are too cheap to pay him.

06-08-2012, 01:06 PM	#19
Choon328 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rochester, NY--Originally from Long Island Posts: 777	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487433]WOW! That means he almost makes as much as Santonio Holmes. I'll bet he'll be pissed knowing that a receiver who has more than TWICE the production and more than TWICE the the number of TD's will make almost as much as he does. :rolleyes: BTW- on a serious note, its probably better to wait for a few hours or days to see how much "real" money is included and how the deal is structured before throwing around big numbers. Bottom line, the Pats have the Gronk on the team until at least 2019 and for less money per year than it will cost the Jets for 4 more years of Holmes running the team.[/QUOTE] Genius! You just gave $54 million to a TE?! I don't care how productive he is that's a lot of money to tie up in a TE. Especially when he had 2 years remaining on his rookie contract and then you could have franchised him for 2 years at 60% of what he's going to make on this contract per year. IMO it was pretty stupid. You could have def spent that money on your secondary next year in free agency b/c that's the weakest part of your team. I'm sure you'll spin it to look like this is a good deal but it isn't. He's a great player but the deal wasn't necessary and it takes away money that could be spend on making the Patriots better.

06-08-2012, 01:07 PM	#20
Tony Danza All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,696	[QUOTE=patsfanken;4487451]Cmon JN that Santonio connection is just a dig at Holmes, not so much the Jets. I just HATE him. Can't explain it any other way. I'd hate him if he were a Patriot. He doesn't deserve your loyalty. He's a bad guy. BTW-What's the purpose of posting on a Jets board if you can't relate your post to the Jets??????? ESPECIALLY in a Pats related thread[/QUOTE] Dont act all naive and innoncent when its painfully obvious you are purposely trying to de-rail a thread into a Holmes bash fest. Stay inside the various Holmes thread if thats all you are concerned about and give up the "Aww who me" act its horrendous.