Possible Fixes

TheMo · 08-19-2012, 03:09 PM

So watching the game it was quite evident we have some big issues on offense. I dug around to see who or what was available, because as many have asserted on the board... the pickings are slim. I used ProFootballFocus to help assess players because there is no way I have time to legitimately know how good/not good these players are. Anyway here is what I could find:

RT- There are two choices here, Tony Pashos and Brandon Keith. Keith is younger but had an overall negative rating. The caveat is that is that most of the negative came from his first two games starting and he stabilized to neutral for the rest of the season. Pashos grades out quite positively (+4.4, +9.7 pass pro) with 12 games at RT. He's 32, which isn't young, but still not ancient. He also didn't grade out as a great run blocker... but seriously beggars can't be choosers.

WR- Really nothing available here, other than Housh who is pretty washed up. Gonna just have to wait for the group to get healthy and pray, a better OL will make a lot of stuff look better... we hope

RB- Nothing to see here either, we have a decent stable of backs anyway... just have to hope one or two step up. Again improved OL play makes everyone look better

It would appear, ironically enough, that our best chance to improve is at our biggest weakness, RT. Hopefully the FO sees the situation the same way.

Jetworks · 08-19-2012, 03:23 PM

Pashos is in the midst of recovering from Achilles surgery, so that's a no-go. Love that you took the time to try and find some solutions, though.

TheMo · 08-19-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetworks

Pashos is in the midst of recovering from Achilles surgery, so that's a no-go. Love that you took the time to try and find some solutions, though.

Sigh... lol I knew that looked too good to be true. I know hindsight is 20/20 but passing up on Bell, Gaither, Winston... that should get Tanny fired if the season ends up being a fail. It would be clear he learned nothing from the 2007 OL meltdown. No one should expect perfection from a GM, but adaptation from experience is a must. I would love if we could get a Polian-Ryan duo.

kennyo7 · 08-19-2012, 03:33 PM

Solution: Bill Cowher as GM+HC

TheMo · 08-19-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

Solution: Bill Cowher as GM+HC

I guess I am the anti-SAR in that I still value Rex as a HC. I think he needs a vet GM, not yes man in Tanny.

kennyo7 · 08-19-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMo

I guess I am the anti-SAR in that I still value Rex as a HC. I think he needs a vet GM, not yes man in Tanny.

I love Rex. But if we get a new GM worth a dime, he will definitely want his own coach.

Can you honestly say that Rex is irreplaceable? There are plenty of coaches that will be available that i would rather have than Rex. This team, sadly needs a new start and Rex will be a casualty.

Kentucky Jet · 08-19-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMo

Sigh... lol I knew that looked too good to be true. I know hindsight is 20/20 but passing up on Bell, Gaither, Winston... that should get Tanny fired if the season ends up being a fail. It would be clear he learned nothing from the 2007 OL meltdown. No one should expect perfection from a GM, but adaptation from experience is a must. I would love if we could get a Polian-Ryan duo.

Bill Polian is the way to go! The guy has done well wherever he was. We need a real GM. Re: The RT I'd love to see Howard get some reps with the #1 team. But soon guys will be cut due to age or salary etc. Perhaps we can pick up a good guy ala a Damien Woody-type. I have supported HUNTER in the past but that is over. He had his chance to show improvement and failed miserably last night. That was quite an embarassment.

iahawkeyejet · 08-19-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

Solution: Bill Cowher as GM+HC

I am still 100% behind Rex, but if he's gone after this season, they need to go after an offense oriented HC, and Cowher isn't that.

I am even less in favor of giving him GM control as well. Want no part of that.

TheMo · 08-19-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by iahawkeyejet

I am still 100% behind Rex, but if he's gone after this season, they need to go after an offense oriented HC, and Cowher isn't that.

I am even less in favor of giving him GM control as well. Want no part of that.

I think you that doesn't matter as much as people think. Either way you need an expert on the other side of the ball. Kubiak needed Phillips and McCarthy needed Capers.

Savage69 · 08-19-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

Solution: Bill Cowher as GM+HC

It took him 14 years to win a bowl how long would he last here??

TheMo · 08-19-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

I love Rex. But if we get a new GM worth a dime, he will definitely want his own coach.

Can you honestly say that Rex is irreplaceable? There are plenty of coaches that will be available that i would rather have than Rex. This team, sadly needs a new start and Rex will be a casualty.

I can't think of plenty for sure, but that is my opinion and I have definitely been wrong before. I think a guy like Polian with enough of a track record might be comfortable keeping a relatively young successful coach in Rex. I also see Rex as being a guy who can accept that he is still learning and not get into power struggle with a well known guy like Polian.

iahawkeyejet · 08-19-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMo

I think you that doesn't matter as much as people think. Either way you need an expert on the other side of the ball. Kubiak needed Phillips and McCarthy needed Capers.

I disagree, partially. I don't disagree that you need experts on both side of the ball, I certainly think it matters what type of background your HC has and how it will form his team. If Rex is gone(doubt he will be), the next HC needs to be an offensive mind that can build up the offense, like Rex has built the defense.

kennyo7 · 08-19-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage69

It took him 14 years to win a bowl how long would he last here??

That 14 year experience in how to win a bowl (he got to the SB in 3 years) is a huge head start in experience compared to a guy who may never get there at all

kennyo7 · 08-19-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMo

I can't think of plenty for sure, but that is my opinion and I have definitely been wrong before. I think a guy like Polian with enough of a track record might be comfortable keeping a relatively young successful coach in Rex. I also see Rex as being a guy who can accept that he is still learning and not get into power struggle with a well known guy like Polian.

Im all for that if Polian would keep Rex. I doubt he would though.

thshadow · 08-19-2012, 04:01 PM

So there's still Brandon Keith!

The last news I see for him is that the Pats tried him out in May.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4963/brandon-keith

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LATEST NEWS
The Patriots tried out free agent OLs Brandon Keith, Stephon Heyer, and Jamey Richard on Wednesday.
Richard is a versatile interior lineman, while Keith and Heyer are tackles only. The Pats may have just been updating their "emergency" free agent list. May 23 - 6:42 PM
Source: ESPN Boston

Has he not even gotten a look from anyone since?

bigdanNJ · 08-19-2012, 04:02 PM

Fire Tanenbum

TheMo · 08-19-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

Im all for that if Polian would keep Rex. I doubt he would though.

Well... we still have a season to play, hopefully the team makes you and I look like absolute idiots for this kind of banter... I would be very happy with eating a ton of crow on this situation.

As for the bolded part, if it comes to pass I hope you are wrong. I mean that in a good way

John_0515 · 08-19-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage69

It took him 14 years to win a bowl how long would he last here??

Same. After a few seasons JI would be predominantly calling for his head.

No Superbowl right away = fired.

TheMo · 08-19-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Same. After a few seasons JI would be predominantly calling for his head.

No Superbowl right away = fired.

How do you feel about Tanny? I am slowly souring on him... am I being hasty? Third party opinion requested, no sarcasm.

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08-19-2012, 03:09 PM	#1
TheMo All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,347	Possible Fixes So watching the game it was quite evident we have some big issues on offense. I dug around to see who or what was available, because as many have asserted on the board... the pickings are slim. I used ProFootballFocus to help assess players because there is no way I have time to legitimately know how good/not good these players are. Anyway here is what I could find: RT- There are two choices here, Tony Pashos and Brandon Keith. Keith is younger but had an overall negative rating. The caveat is that is that most of the negative came from his first two games starting and he stabilized to neutral for the rest of the season. Pashos grades out quite positively (+4.4, +9.7 pass pro) with 12 games at RT. He's 32, which isn't young, but still not ancient. He also didn't grade out as a great run blocker... but seriously beggars can't be choosers. WR- Really nothing available here, other than Housh who is pretty washed up. Gonna just have to wait for the group to get healthy and pray, a better OL will make a lot of stuff look better... we hope RB- Nothing to see here either, we have a decent stable of backs anyway... just have to hope one or two step up. Again improved OL play makes everyone look better It would appear, ironically enough, that our best chance to improve is at our biggest weakness, RT. Hopefully the FO sees the situation the same way.

08-19-2012, 03:23 PM	#2
Jetworks murse in training Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Staten Island Posts: 7,471	Pashos is in the midst of recovering from Achilles surgery, so that's a no-go. Love that you took the time to try and find some solutions, though.

08-19-2012, 03:33 PM	#4
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,404	Solution: Bill Cowher as GM+HC

08-19-2012, 04:02 PM	#16
bigdanNJ Veteran Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,158	Fire Tanenbum

08-19-2012, 04:11 PM	#20
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