Remember when Wayne Hunter beasted when Woody went down?

NY State of Mind · 08-23-2012, 07:58 PM

Such great potential we saw in him.

Oh well, he turned out to be a 3 game wonder.

Mainejet · 08-23-2012, 08:01 PM

At this point, it appears to be EXACTLY that, a 3 game wonder. Truth is he hasn't even come close to what he did in the 2010 playoffs in ANY game since he became a starter.

Mikey Z 6 · 08-23-2012, 08:16 PM

he got lazy, sloppy, figured out & PAID!

plus we (the jets) had alot of confidence and rythem

JamesR · 08-24-2012, 08:09 AM

Might be that we over-rated his performance because we played well in those three games (for the most part) ... winning can hide a multitude of sins.

Plus, we already had our scapegoat for the eventual loss (Schotty) so didn't need another one at the time.

John_0515 · 08-24-2012, 08:12 AM

He's not that bad run blocking, which is what he had to predominantly do then. Maybe he just wasn't exposed?

JB1089 · 08-24-2012, 08:18 AM

Hunter never "beasted." He was always terrible. You have selective memory.

From Jason:

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Re: Hunter on stats on I track he rated at 7.53% increase in failures on the year, which would have ranked 63rd in the NFL #Jets

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Hunter was actually worse in 2010 at 9.53% but only played 175 passing snaps and people were blinded by 1 or 2 good games #Jets

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As a TE in 2009 and 2010, he only played 32 snaps in PP but graded at 3.57% in failure increases. Maybe thats his role...30 snaps #nyj

BRONX JET · 08-24-2012, 08:21 AM

No, I don't remember

John_0515 · 08-24-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JB1089

Hunter never "beasted." He was always terrible. You have selective memory.

From Jason:

I don't believe those percentages accurately reflect how well he played in the playoffs. Watching the games tells a different story. Ever since, he's been poo poo.

loluchka80 · 08-24-2012, 08:38 AM

don't forget the last 3 games of the regular season too (2 wins to help get into the playoffs). woody had surgery near the beginning of december. he didn't just start in the playoffs. he was more like a 5 or 6 game wonder.

i don't remember his play specifically, but that's always a good thing when it comes to Olinemen i suppose. he obviously filled in some what admirably for woody the end of 2010 and into the playoffs, as compared to starting all season in 2011.

lageman4ever · 08-24-2012, 10:39 AM

I thought given Hunter's solid performance filling in for Woody that he'd be an excellent RT for the 2011 season. Maybe our run-heavy offense during those last few replacement games covered up Hunter's warts ? But the player in 2011 was not the guy I remembered from 2010.

MDL_JET · 08-24-2012, 10:45 AM

That was until he gave up a sack or two and his feelings were hurt and confidence was shot. Down hill from there.

Jordy · 08-24-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NY State of Mind

Such great potential we saw in him.

Oh well, he turned out to be a 3 game wonder.

He also had Ben Hartsock, LT and TRich helping him in pass pro.

He wasn't getting it done as an island of his own.

Not to mention, no one had any film on him. That also helped him get by for a while.

John_0515 · 08-24-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordy

He also had Ben Hartsock, LT and TRich helping him in pass pro.

He wasn't getting it done as an island of his own.

Not to mention, no one had any film on him. That also helped him get by for a while.

No one has film of "the Duck" either.

Superbowl.

crasherino · 08-24-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

I don't believe those percentages accurately reflect how well he played in the playoffs. Watching the games tells a different story. Ever since, he's been poo poo.

I think its somewhere in between. More than anything, we had a pretty low bar that he had to meet. Woody went down, everyone thought the sky was falling and he came in and did OK. He wasn't great - he was competent enough.

But, the sample size was pretty small. Over a 16 game period, he regressed to the mean.

John_0515 · 08-24-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by crasherino

I think its somewhere in between. More than anything, we had a pretty low bar that he had to meet. Woody went down, everyone thought the sky was falling and he came in and did OK. He wasn't great - he was competent enough.

But, the sample size was pretty small. Over a 16 game period, he regressed to the mean.

To his mean, yes. I agree 100%.

lageman4ever · 08-24-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordy

He also had Ben Hartsock, LT and TRich helping him in pass pro.

He wasn't getting it done as an island of his own.

Not to mention, no one had any film on him. That also helped him get by for a while.

True - Hunter had much more support in 2010. Too bad the Front Office couldn't realize this and provide additional help to the guy.

SINYJets · 08-24-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

I don't believe those percentages accurately reflect how well he played in the playoffs. Watching the games tells a different story. Ever since, he's been poo poo.

Not so sure he played 'well' in the playoffs. I remember one of the Steelers claiming Hunter was tipping plays during the AFC Championship game, including on our failed goal line plays.

SlickBri481 · 08-24-2012, 11:13 AM

I wouldn't say he beasted, he was an adequate fill-in. Obviously his deficiencies were being covered up by an otherwise strong line and opponents didn't know enough about him yet to really attack him.

DDNYjets · 08-24-2012, 11:16 AM

Hunter always sucked.

You are just believing what Rex told you guys.

Besides, there wasn't enough film of him in the games so teams did not try to exploit him as much. Not to mention the running game was better which helps everything and we gave him help.

He has been exposed. Just like Eric Smith. Good players when used for a handful of snaps in non-essential roles. But once they get any real responsibility they get exposed. I don't blame Hunter and Smith as much as I blame the coaches for putting them in position to fail. Sooner or later they have to accept a player for what they are. How many times did they have to see Smith get torched by a TE before they decided not to leave him in man-to-man.

John_0515 · 08-24-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SINYJets

Not so sure he played 'well' in the playoffs. I remember one of the Steelers claiming Hunter was tipping plays during the AFC Championship game, including on our failed goal line plays.

Well compared to what was expected.

08-23-2012, 07:58 PM	#1
NY State of Mind Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 355	Remember when Wayne Hunter beasted when Woody went down? Such great potential we saw in him. Oh well, he turned out to be a 3 game wonder.

08-23-2012, 08:01 PM	#2
Mainejet impatiently waiting for the Jets to win the SB Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11,873	At this point, it appears to be EXACTLY that, a 3 game wonder. Truth is he hasn't even come close to what he did in the 2010 playoffs in ANY game since he became a starter.

08-23-2012, 08:16 PM	#3
Mikey Z 6 oOoOoOo All Pro Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Posts: 5,536	he got lazy, sloppy, figured out & PAID! plus we (the jets) had alot of confidence and rythem

08-24-2012, 08:09 AM	#4
JamesR All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 4,812	Might be that we over-rated his performance because we played well in those three games (for the most part) ... winning can hide a multitude of sins. Plus, we already had our scapegoat for the eventual loss (Schotty) so didn't need another one at the time.

08-24-2012, 08:12 AM	#5
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	He's not that bad run blocking, which is what he had to predominantly do then. Maybe he just wasn't exposed?

08-24-2012, 08:21 AM	#7
BRONX JET Geno chants will start week 1 All League Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Bronx, USA Posts: 3,008	No, I don't remember

08-24-2012, 08:38 AM	#9
loluchka80 All League Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 3,216	don't forget the last 3 games of the regular season too (2 wins to help get into the playoffs). woody had surgery near the beginning of december. he didn't just start in the playoffs. he was more like a 5 or 6 game wonder. i don't remember his play specifically, but that's always a good thing when it comes to Olinemen i suppose. he obviously filled in some what admirably for woody the end of 2010 and into the playoffs, as compared to starting all season in 2011.

08-24-2012, 10:39 AM	#10
lageman4ever Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,153	I thought given Hunter's solid performance filling in for Woody that he'd be an excellent RT for the 2011 season. Maybe our run-heavy offense during those last few replacement games covered up Hunter's warts ? But the player in 2011 was not the guy I remembered from 2010.

08-24-2012, 10:45 AM	#11
MDL_JET All Pro Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,633	That was until he gave up a sack or two and his feelings were hurt and confidence was shot. Down hill from there.

08-24-2012, 11:13 AM	#18
SlickBri481 Heal up Darrelle... All Pro Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 6,351	I wouldn't say he beasted, he was an adequate fill-in. Obviously his deficiencies were being covered up by an otherwise strong line and opponents didn't know enough about him yet to really attack him.

08-24-2012, 11:16 AM	#19
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,284	Hunter always sucked. You are just believing what Rex told you guys. Besides, there wasn't enough film of him in the games so teams did not try to exploit him as much. Not to mention the running game was better which helps everything and we gave him help. He has been exposed. Just like Eric Smith. Good players when used for a handful of snaps in non-essential roles. But once they get any real responsibility they get exposed. I don't blame Hunter and Smith as much as I blame the coaches for putting them in position to fail. Sooner or later they have to accept a player for what they are. How many times did they have to see Smith get torched by a TE before they decided not to leave him in man-to-man.