The last offensive minded head coach the Jets hired

Batmans A Scientist · 11-11-2012, 09:35 PM

.... Rich Kotite

It's been almost 20 seasons and 5 coaches (Parcells, Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex).
The entire NFL has gone offensive and the Jets have never hired an offensive minded coach to run the team.

jpoppy7 · 11-11-2012, 09:37 PM

Kotite was more absent-minded than offensive minded.

chrisjets23 · 11-11-2012, 09:42 PM

It really is amazing how many bad HCs we've had over the years. I remember how bad the Coslet days were too. If you think Rex is stubborn, Coslet refused to hire an offensive coordinator which cost him his job (even despite the collapse at the end of '93).

southside · 11-11-2012, 09:48 PM

I agree. Kotite's mind was offensive.

johnnysd · 11-11-2012, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist

.... Rich Kotite

It's been almost 20 seasons and 5 coaches (Parcells, Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex).
The entire NFL has gone offensive and the Jets have never hired an offensive minded coach to run the team.

We actually hire the same coach over and over again just with a different personality but their coaching traits are all the same.

Dreamers · 11-11-2012, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist

.... Rich Kotite

It's been almost 20 seasons and 5 coaches (Parcells, Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex).
The entire NFL has gone offensive and the Jets have never hired an offensive minded coach to run the team.

I'd seriously say at least 70% of all NFL HCs right now are on the D side. Even Harbaugh like his brother is a D minded coach. Out side of Reid, Mike McCarthy, Turner, maybe Wiz. who else is really out there? Those are the only ones I can think with any kind of success with an O minded coach. Most have very short careers.

rextilleon · 11-11-2012, 11:39 PM

What about this---when is the last time the Jets had a top five NFL coach-----Maybe Parcells?

freestater · 11-11-2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreamers

I'd seriously say at least 70% of all NFL HCs right now are on the D side. Even Harbaugh like his brother is a D minded coach. Out side of Reid, Mike McCarthy, Turner, maybe Wiz. who else is really out there? Those are the only ones I can think with any kind of success with an O minded coach. Most have very short careers.

Kubiak
Mike Smith
Garrett
Munchak
Mularkey
Gailey
Sean Peyton
Pat Shurmer

ARodFLKeysJetsFan · 11-11-2012, 11:41 PM

There is really only one guy I would like to see replace Rex if he were to get fired.

Bill Cowher.

I wouldn't want anybody else.

sec318 · 11-11-2012, 11:50 PM

Why does everybody want an offensive coach. Chan gailey and Garret in Dallas are so called offensive coaches. How about just a good coach. Tomlin in pitt is no offensive coach but he is good.Just bring a good coach here

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist

.... Rich Kotite

It's been almost 20 seasons and 5 coaches (Parcells, Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex).
The entire NFL has gone offensive and the Jets have never hired an offensive minded coach to run the team.

LadainianIMnotDONE · 11-12-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist

.... Rich Kotite

It's been almost 20 seasons and 5 coaches (Parcells, Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex).
The entire NFL has gone offensive and the Jets have never hired an offensive minded coach to run the team.

Yeh the entire NFL ... Mike Tomlin, Bellichick, Mike Smith in Atlanta, Tom Coughlin, Pete Caroll, Jeff Fisher, Lovie Smith.

Here's how the NEW NFL works ... 3 out of the 4 divisional leaders right now in the NFC have defensive minded coaches ... Mike Smith, Coughlin, Lovie Smith, and in the AFC 2 out of the 4 divsional leaders as well are defensive minded coaches ... Fox in Denver & Bellichick. The other division leader? A Special Teams coach in Baltimore and the next best record is the Steelers/Tomlin.

^ this should break down the ridiculous myth that the rest of the NFL has moved towards offensive minded coaches & that this is the way to go. What you need is a REAL QB, some offensive coaches, and thats that. This entire post was so factually wrong by a guy with scientist in his name lol. "come on guys offensive minded coaches guys, THATS THE FORMULA" ...

LadainianIMnotDONE · 11-12-2012, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan

There is really only one guy I would like to see replace Rex if he were to get fired.

Bill Cowher.

I wouldn't want anybody else.

I want Cowher here ... I doubt he'll take the job but boy will he build a great franchise. He'd bring in a REAL GM, REAL offensive coaches & defensive guys, and we'll be disciplined in every way. I would hand over the entire franchise to this guy and let him pick the GM all the way down to all the coaches.

C Mart · 11-12-2012, 04:10 AM

If Holmgren wants to coach again....

Dunnie · 11-12-2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by C Mart

If Holmgren wants to coach again....

+1

Batmans A Scientist · 11-12-2012, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LadainianIMnotDONE

I want Cowher here ... I doubt he'll take the job but boy will he build a great franchise. He'd bring in a REAL GM, REAL offensive coaches & defensive guys, and we'll be disciplined in every way. I would hand over the entire franchise to this guy and let him pick the GM all the way down to all the coaches.

Cowher isn't a GM. Cowher would want full control. The track record of 60+ year old coaches who want full control for the first time is really terrible. The Jets should look for a GM and president of football operations, THEN look for a coach.

THe worst thing they could do is look for a coach first.

srobjets · 11-12-2012, 11:22 AM

Ever Coach hired by the Jerts has been offensive

kennyo7 · 11-12-2012, 11:28 AM

We dont need an offensive minded coach.
We need a competent coach who will have a disciplined team that is prepared week in and week out playing without mental errors and holding players accountable.

kennyo7 · 11-12-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Batmans A Scientist

Cowher isn't a GM. Cowher would want full control. The track record of 60+ year old coaches who want full control for the first time is really terrible. The Jets should look for a GM and president of football operations, THEN look for a coach.

THe worst thing they could do is look for a coach first.

Agreed 100%.
Eric DeCosta would be my first choice

Snell41 · 11-12-2012, 11:37 AM

It's not so much that we need an "offensive minded' coach, but we need a coach that at least respects and understands that in today's league you need to score points. Plain and simple. If you need to sacrifice Defense to do so then so be it. The bottom line is you need a mediocre to good defense that applies pressure along with a solid offense. Rex cares first and foremost on fielding a top 5 defense. That's his priority. After that the pieces of the team fall where they may. His philosophy is to control the ball with offense and sut down the opponent completely, ie win games 17-10, 20-13, 13-6, etc etc etc. That justy doesn't fly anymore. Rex is extreme in his beliefs and they are antiquated and outdated for today's game. Either he needs to change his philosophy and evolve or he's going to lose his opportunity as a head coach.

Tinstar · 11-12-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sec318

Why does everybody want an offensive coach. Chan gailey and Garret in Dallas are so called offensive coaches. How about just a good coach. Tomlin in pitt is no offensive coach but he is good.Just bring a good coach here

The Jets had a HC and they threw him in the garbage because he was not what the NFL and it's fans expect a HC to be. He was a Leader of men who didn't micro managed, Just led his team.

His worst seasons as HC came when he was forced to play with the QB who was not his desired starter heading into a season or for large parts of a season. Combined with that, he was forced to play without some of his better players because the FO decided that the money those players wanted didn't reflect their performance.

Under Rex Ryan the Jets gave Mark Sanchez a bonus and a new contract coming off his worse season in the NFL . The Jets followed that up by givind a malcontent WR a new contract the season after his actions were instramental in that same miserable season.

Under this aforementioned HC, The Jet allowed the best WR on the team to leave in a contract dispute. The following yr after improving to top 5 in defense the Jets again allowed that HC's Defensive anchor at NT to leave via a contract dispute.

Yes my friends the Jets had a real HC but alast, he didn't fit the mold of what a HC should look like. Funny,Mark Sanchez looks exactly like what a Franchise QB should look like.

Then he plays.

11-11-2012, 09:35 PM	#1
Batmans A Scientist Watching the American East Championship All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Manhattan, NY Posts: 8,554	The last offensive minded head coach the Jets hired .... Rich Kotite It's been almost 20 seasons and 5 coaches (Parcells, Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex). The entire NFL has gone offensive and the Jets have never hired an offensive minded coach to run the team.

11-11-2012, 09:37 PM	#2
jpoppy7 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,854	Kotite was more absent-minded than offensive minded.

11-11-2012, 09:42 PM	#3
chrisjets23 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 726	It really is amazing how many bad HCs we've had over the years. I remember how bad the Coslet days were too. If you think Rex is stubborn, Coslet refused to hire an offensive coordinator which cost him his job (even despite the collapse at the end of '93).

11-11-2012, 09:48 PM	#4
southside Forever Awesome All Pro Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,938	I agree. Kotite's mind was offensive.

11-11-2012, 11:39 PM	#7
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,666	What about this---when is the last time the Jets had a top five NFL coach-----Maybe Parcells?

11-11-2012, 11:41 PM	#9
ARodFLKeysJetsFan Jets GM John Idzik is handling business.... Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Currently Norfolk, VA.... Posts: 18,388	There is really only one guy I would like to see replace Rex if he were to get fired. Bill Cowher. I wouldn't want anybody else.

11-12-2012, 04:10 AM	#13
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,314	If Holmgren wants to coach again....

11-12-2012, 11:22 AM	#16
srobjets Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,466	Ever Coach hired by the Jerts has been offensive

11-12-2012, 11:28 AM	#17
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,417	We dont need an offensive minded coach. We need a competent coach who will have a disciplined team that is prepared week in and week out playing without mental errors and holding players accountable.

11-12-2012, 11:37 AM	#19
Snell41 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,520	It's not so much that we need an "offensive minded' coach, but we need a coach that at least respects and understands that in today's league you need to score points. Plain and simple. If you need to sacrifice Defense to do so then so be it. The bottom line is you need a mediocre to good defense that applies pressure along with a solid offense. Rex cares first and foremost on fielding a top 5 defense. That's his priority. After that the pieces of the team fall where they may. His philosophy is to control the ball with offense and sut down the opponent completely, ie win games 17-10, 20-13, 13-6, etc etc etc. That justy doesn't fly anymore. Rex is extreme in his beliefs and they are antiquated and outdated for today's game. Either he needs to change his philosophy and evolve or he's going to lose his opportunity as a head coach.