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Non-Teacher Evaluation Deal Between the UFT and DOE (Bloomberg) of NYC
Article relating to the failed teacher evaluation in NYC
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What, no link to the source? http://morecaucusnyc.org/2013/01/18/...e-uft-and-doe/
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What a shock - Copernicus posting an "article" from a subsection of the UFT that thinks the UFT has been too conciliatory is suggesting that everything is Bloomberg's fault
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I see the 88 to 97 period all over again.
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Most high school grads cant point out the US on a world map.
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Don't mess with Angel Eyes.
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Do your career a favor man. Stop going to the union meetings and swallowing their propaganda-flavored kool-aid. Take a step back and consider the opinions of those that aren't teachers. Its pretty clear that administrative policies and high-stakes testing are really hindering education. Unfortunately the voter or taxpayer can't see that for themselves because the unions are shoving it down their throats. By-and-large, teacher unions do little for teachers and less for schools. What if just one year, the UFT, instead of begging for more money, made their cause about financial accountability of the top? Or improving instructional materials. You know, something for the students. Think about the kind of voter support the unions could earn. Wouldn't it then be a little bit more reasonable for appropriate raises? Teachers care more about their students than they do themselves, or at least 9/10 teachers I know. Why not let the union show that? The other solution for you would be to find a new profession. It's not at all easy, but it definitely is a different world once you leave. Regardless, do yourself a favor and take a step back to do your own research and see the big picture. |
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What I want to know if why Doggin felt the need to bump an obvious Union Propaganda Piece instead of letting it die the obvious death it was destined for.
It's a safe bet, if Copernicus posts it in here, it will: -Be Union Propaganda -Will Blame Bush and No Child left Behind -Will Blame Bloomberg. -Will proclaim Teachers as being too dedicated, too faithful, too concillitory, and giving in on too much already to give in more. -Will summarize to "pay Teachers more, with more benefits, and less oversight, cause Teachers are better than you and I". Same way if Copernicus posts it on the Strip, it will: -Blame and hate Woody because he is a rich (R). |
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No Child Left Behind under GW Bush opened up a money train for testing companies. President Obama continued this manipulation of education. Its been over 10 years!!!! It is a colossal failure. Do you believe it continues because the UFT mentions this? Or is it because it makes so much money for testing companies connected to politicians that they dont care if it actually is hurting children and giving them less of an education. How do you think the union does not show teachers at their best? Teachers responded to Hurricane Sandy to hand out food and clothing. They responded to their schools during a week where they themselves had no power and minimal resources. It was all over the UFT paper. Surprisingly (ha ha) it didnt make any of the local news or news papers. I wonder why? |
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I see the 88 to 97 period all over again.
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Why do you feel the need to belittle people because your thought of a good thread disagrees from his? You are a talented "poster" but you also my friend start more threads here than anyone, more than half of which are ridiculous. I disagree with COP'R almost entirely but he is entitle to post without being directly insulted. Last edited by southparkcpa; 01-22-2013 at 12:20 PM. |
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If teachers unions want to be perceived as being on the side of better education as opposed to merely interested in the compensation of teachers they need to: 1.) Detail how teacher performance can be objectively measured. Exposing flaws and shortcomings in the current testing model simply isn't good enough. 2.) Completely abandon their defense of tenure. You want to increase benefits and compensation for prolonged service as a teacher? That's great. But making someone harder to dismiss as they gain experience in their profession is stupid, and unique to the teaching profession. As your experience (and compensation) increases, you ought to be held to a higher standard, not put wrapped up in protective "tenured" status. Until these things happen, and "backlash" against education reform is going to be isolated to pro-union propaganda pieces. |
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NY Public Schools have standards? What are they?
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![]() BTW, would you put your money on a leprechaun? You cant make this stuff up..............
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Absolutely. As it is mine to be critical of such viewpoints.
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As am I. If I'm harder on ol' Copernicus than most (and I probably am) it's because of the very VERY high regard I once held him in. Like Top-10 poster type regard, personal favorite, etc, etc, etc. No one likes to see the guys they admire and respect transform into....well, enough said. |
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Believes Sloppy Guy was involved
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Believes Sloppy Guy was involved
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Is it your belief that teachers unions are shoving testing down people's throats?
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