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King Ryan · 03-14-2007, 11:24 AM

[QUOTE=flushingjet]any of you college kids out there
looking to compile all the inane, incorrect, uneducated, unsophisticated,
anti-patriotic, un-American, political opinions of America/the world today
for a class essay
look no further than this thread-
all your materials right here

itll please your prof to no end

you wont be right but youll get an A-
thats all that matters

do a cost/benefit analysis and youll see[/QUOTE]

what in this thread was anti-patriotic and/or un-American?

03-14-2007, 04:51 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7]any of you drop outs out there
who dont care about the facts or the truth
who would rather blindly follow, rather than stop and think
who dont care about the consequences of your actions
who dont care about why you are asking the troops to make the ultimate sacrifice
who dont care if the outcome of your actions leaves america in a weaker position, so long as ya kill some "ragheads" even if they pose no threat to you.....

just listen to toilet jet[/QUOTE]

hmm....commie-o's on his break from handing
out viagra...thanks for stopping by and
adding to the discussion

take your burqa off your brain for a second
instead of parroting lib talking points
explain how what the US does makes us "weaker"

again, I, me was attacked on my way to work by fanatics on 9-11
therefore my perspective on attacks and fanatics is way better
than yours , which is way up your moonachie
as a result i not only ask, I demand our armed forces completely
eliminate our enemies thats their job.
in the words of your beloved ahmanutjob "wipe them off the map"
i could give a flying f if you agree or not, commie.

cr726 · 03-14-2007, 05:14 PM

How about actually answering the question in the thread. You would like to do anything but actually keep on topic. You are %100 BS and ZERO answers. Keep it up.

[QUOTE=flushingjet]any of you college kids out there
looking to compile all the inane, incorrect, uneducated, unsophisticated,
anti-patriotic, un-American, political opinions of America/the world today
for a class essay
look no further than this thread-
all your materials right here

itll please your prof to no end

you wont be right but youll get an A-
thats all that matters

do a cost/benefit analysis and youll see[/QUOTE]

kennyo7 · 03-14-2007, 05:15 PM

[QUOTE=flushingjet]hmm....commie-o's on his break from handing
out viagra...thanks for stopping by and
adding to the discussion

take your burqa off your brain for a second
instead of parroting lib talking points
[B] explain how what the US does makes us "weaker"[/B]

[B]again, I, me was attacked on my way to work by fanatics on 9-11
therefore my perspective on attacks and fanatics is way better
than yours[/B] , which is way up your moonachie
as a result i not only ask, I demand our armed forces completely
eliminate our enemies thats their job.
in the words of your beloved ahmanutjob "wipe them off the map"
i could give a flying f if you agree or not, commie.[/QUOTE]

How did the USA make itself weaker???
By strengthening Iran, one of the so called "axis of evil" and a sworn enemy of the USA. Our actions in Iraq removed one of Iran's enemies, a buffer from the rest of the ME and replaced him with a Shia govt that sees Iran as a friend and ally. This has stretched out Tehran's scope of influence and gave it an oil rich ally.

As far as your perspective on attacks and our enemies, being attacked on your way to work hardly gives you any more insight than anyone else.

03-14-2007, 05:36 PM

[QUOTE=cr726]How about actually answering the question in the thread. You would like to do anything but actually keep on topic. You are %100 BS and ZERO answers. Keep it up.[/QUOTE]

Sure kid....your next correct and intelligent thought
here will be your 1st.

cr726 · 03-14-2007, 05:38 PM

You wouldn't know a correct and intelligent thought if it hit you in your little wanna HERO nuts. Now I am a kid, that is funny.

[QUOTE=flushingjet]Sure kid....your next correct and intelligent thought
here will be your 1st.[/QUOTE]

03-14-2007, 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7]How did the USA make itself weaker???
By strengthening Iran, one of the so called "axis of evil" and a sworn enemy of the USA. Our actions in Iraq removed one of Iran's enemies, a buffer from the rest of the ME and replaced him with a Shia govt that sees Iran as a friend and ally. This has stretched out Tehran's scope of influence and gave it an oil rich ally.

As far as your perspective on attacks and our enemies, being attacked on your way to work hardly gives you any more insight than anyone else.[/QUOTE]

Sure doc, like being a dr doesnt give you any insight into
peoples health.

I worked at the WTC, and was there, so I definitely
know/can verify things about the buildings,
the details of the 9-11 attacks,
the exact time, that people out in the boondocks of LI and
in the jungles of Tennessee dont.

So take your hallucinogenic Truther notions and shove 'em, OK?

Next, lets add some logic to the discussion shall we?

If America remove an direct enemy of itself, its for
America's benefit primarily- if the ROW / Iraq's
enemies benefit that is not of primary concern to us

Iraq and Iran cant be enemies of each other and of America
at the same time?
By taking out Iraq, we automagically made Iran stronger?

By that stellar logic we made SA, Kuwait, the "gas station" emirates,
and Israel stronger too.

The US now is present to make sure everything that is
is supposed to, primarily oil tankers, enters and
exits the Persian Gulf without incident.

The US also now surrounds Iran with a military presence.

Yeah thats I call weakening yourself.

03-14-2007, 05:57 PM

[QUOTE=cr726]You wouldn't know a correct and intelligent thought if it hit you in your little wanna HERO nuts. Now I am a kid, that is funny.[/QUOTE]

1) At least I have nuts;

2) and you are no hero.

tell me again about zero connections of iraq to wtc1 bombing-
i love that story

cr726 · 03-14-2007, 06:33 PM

I am waiting for your BS connections. I U.S. citizen found in Iraq 10 years later?

[QUOTE=flushingjet]1) At least I have nuts;

2) and you are no hero.

tell me again about zero connections of iraq to wtc1 bombing-
i love that story[/QUOTE]

03-14-2007, 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=cr726]I am waiting for your BS connections. I U.S. citizen found in Iraq 10 years later?[/QUOTE]

if you cant add 1 + 1 to make 2
thats your problem, not mine

WestCoastOffensive · 03-14-2007, 07:54 PM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]I wasn't against the war, I'm against the outcome.[/QUOTE]
Come on, Winston. What "outcome" was possible besides this?

Honestly.

Winstonbiggs · 03-14-2007, 08:30 PM

[QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive]Come on, Winston. What "outcome" was possible besides this?

Honestly.[/QUOTE]

The idea that with a new start, a chance at self government that people would put aside their differences, build a nation and live in peace. WTF was I thinking.

kennyo7 · 03-14-2007, 08:50 PM

[QUOTE=flushingjet]

Iraq and Iran cant be enemies of each other and of America
at the same time?
By taking out Iraq, we automagically made Iran stronger?

By that stellar logic we made SA, Kuwait, the "gas station" emirates,
and Israel stronger too.

.[/QUOTE]

Whaaaaat???????????
Iraq and Iran are NOT enemies. They are allies. See the recent sweetheart oil deals they have made. See where Maliki calls Iran "Good , a great neighbor and friend".

Now explain again how it is that Iraq can be an ally of Iran (which clearly it is) and still stand with us side by side in the WOT???

kennyo7 · 03-14-2007, 08:51 PM

[QUOTE=flushingjet]if you cant add 1 + 1 to make 2
thats your problem, not mine[/QUOTE]

Thats because you are trying to convince everyone that 1+1 = 4.
Your argument that the Iraqi govt had a role in the first WTC bombing is simply false. Not one iota of truth behind it.

WestCoastOffensive · 03-14-2007, 08:57 PM

[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]The idea that with a new start, a chance at self government that people would put aside their differences, build a nation and live in peace. WTF was I thinking.[/QUOTE]
I recognize that line of thinking as my own. I was probably talking to myself in the above post.

CanadaSteve · 03-14-2007, 09:03 PM

Flushing Jet, I did not know you were at the towers that day. Sorry to hear that, and I wish you the best in recovering from such an ordeal.

I have a question, that is sincere: Do you think that because you were there at the towers, your judgement is clouded? I mean, lets say it was me saying this, and you were in my shoes looking at this war. Do you think your opinion would be different, or do you think it would be the same, just less emotional?

King Ryan · 03-15-2007, 08:30 AM

[QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Flushing Jet, I did not know you were at the towers that day. Sorry to hear that, and I wish you the best in recovering from such an ordeal.

I have a question, that is sincere: Do you think that because you were there at the towers, your judgement is clouded? I mean, lets say it was me saying this, and you were in my shoes looking at this war. Do you think your opinion would be different, or do you think it would be the same, just less emotional?[/QUOTE]

I could see that Steve... and it definitely doesn't make him a better judge/more informed on this issue like he claims

sect112row36 · 03-15-2007, 09:30 AM

[QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Flushing Jet, I did not know you were at the towers that day. Sorry to hear that, and I wish you the best in recovering from such an ordeal.

I have a question, that is sincere: Do you think that because you were there at the towers, your judgement is clouded? I mean, lets say it was me saying this, and you were in my shoes looking at this war. Do you think your opinion would be different, or do you think it would be the same, just less emotional?[/QUOTE]

The same question could be asked of you...do you think your judgement is not as clear because you werent there?

parafly · 03-15-2007, 09:45 AM

[QUOTE=sect112row36]The same question could be asked of you...do you think your judgement is not as clear because you werent there?[/QUOTE]

Looking in from the outside usually leads to more objective and less emotional viewpoints and conclusions. JMO

CanadaSteve · 03-15-2007, 12:37 PM

[QUOTE=sect112row36]The same question could be asked of you...do you think your judgement is not as clear because you werent there?[/QUOTE]

A very traumatic event like that can skew an opinion...Do you think it is possible that there are some Jewish people to this day that hate all Germans because of the war? Many women suffer from anger and rage towards all men after being raped...

I was affected by what happened at 9/11, but NOT to the degree someone who was actually there. I am affected when I hear about some who loses a loved one in a drunk driving accident, but NOT to the degree of the actual family.

03-14-2007, 04:51 PM	#22
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE=kennyo7]any of you drop outs out there who dont care about the facts or the truth who would rather blindly follow, rather than stop and think who dont care about the consequences of your actions who dont care about why you are asking the troops to make the ultimate sacrifice who dont care if the outcome of your actions leaves america in a weaker position, so long as ya kill some "ragheads" even if they pose no threat to you..... just listen to toilet jet[/QUOTE] hmm....commie-o's on his break from handing out viagra...thanks for stopping by and adding to the discussion take your burqa off your brain for a second instead of parroting lib talking points explain how what the US does makes us "weaker" again, I, me was attacked on my way to work by fanatics on 9-11 therefore my perspective on attacks and fanatics is way better than yours , which is way up your moonachie as a result i not only ask, I demand our armed forces completely eliminate our enemies thats their job. in the words of your beloved ahmanutjob "wipe them off the map" i could give a flying f if you agree or not, commie. Last edited by flushingjet; 03-14-2007 at 05:02 PM.

03-14-2007, 11:24 AM	#21
King Ryan take a guess Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montville, NJ Posts: 5,473	[QUOTE=flushingjet]any of you college kids out there looking to compile all the inane, incorrect, uneducated, unsophisticated, anti-patriotic, un-American, political opinions of America/the world today for a class essay look no further than this thread- all your materials right here itll please your prof to no end you wont be right but youll get an A- thats all that matters do a cost/benefit analysis and youll see[/QUOTE] what in this thread was anti-patriotic and/or un-American?

03-14-2007, 05:14 PM	#23
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,295	How about actually answering the question in the thread. You would like to do anything but actually keep on topic. You are %100 BS and ZERO answers. Keep it up. [QUOTE=flushingjet]any of you college kids out there looking to compile all the inane, incorrect, uneducated, unsophisticated, anti-patriotic, un-American, political opinions of America/the world today for a class essay look no further than this thread- all your materials right here itll please your prof to no end you wont be right but youll get an A- thats all that matters do a cost/benefit analysis and youll see[/QUOTE]

03-14-2007, 05:15 PM	#24
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	[QUOTE=flushingjet]hmm....commie-o's on his break from handing out viagra...thanks for stopping by and adding to the discussion take your burqa off your brain for a second instead of parroting lib talking points [B] explain how what the US does makes us "weaker"[/B] [B]again, I, me was attacked on my way to work by fanatics on 9-11 therefore my perspective on attacks and fanatics is way better than yours[/B] , which is way up your moonachie as a result i not only ask, I demand our armed forces completely eliminate our enemies thats their job. in the words of your beloved ahmanutjob "wipe them off the map" i could give a flying f if you agree or not, commie.[/QUOTE] How did the USA make itself weaker??? By strengthening Iran, one of the so called "axis of evil" and a sworn enemy of the USA. Our actions in Iraq removed one of Iran's enemies, a buffer from the rest of the ME and replaced him with a Shia govt that sees Iran as a friend and ally. This has stretched out Tehran's scope of influence and gave it an oil rich ally. As far as your perspective on attacks and our enemies, being attacked on your way to work hardly gives you any more insight than anyone else.

03-14-2007, 05:36 PM	#25
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE=cr726]How about actually answering the question in the thread. You would like to do anything but actually keep on topic. You are %100 BS and ZERO answers. Keep it up.[/QUOTE] Sure kid....your next correct and intelligent thought here will be your 1st.

03-14-2007, 05:38 PM	#26
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,295	You wouldn't know a correct and intelligent thought if it hit you in your little wanna HERO nuts. Now I am a kid, that is funny. [QUOTE=flushingjet]Sure kid....your next correct and intelligent thought here will be your 1st.[/QUOTE]

03-14-2007, 05:53 PM	#27
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE=kennyo7]How did the USA make itself weaker??? By strengthening Iran, one of the so called "axis of evil" and a sworn enemy of the USA. Our actions in Iraq removed one of Iran's enemies, a buffer from the rest of the ME and replaced him with a Shia govt that sees Iran as a friend and ally. This has stretched out Tehran's scope of influence and gave it an oil rich ally. As far as your perspective on attacks and our enemies, being attacked on your way to work hardly gives you any more insight than anyone else.[/QUOTE] Sure doc, like being a dr doesnt give you any insight into peoples health. I worked at the WTC, and was there, so I definitely know/can verify things about the buildings, the details of the 9-11 attacks, the exact time, that people out in the boondocks of LI and in the jungles of Tennessee dont. So take your hallucinogenic Truther notions and shove 'em, OK? Next, lets add some logic to the discussion shall we? If America remove an direct enemy of itself, its for America's benefit primarily- if the ROW / Iraq's enemies benefit that is not of primary concern to us Iraq and Iran cant be enemies of each other and of America at the same time? By taking out Iraq, we automagically made Iran stronger? By that stellar logic we made SA, Kuwait, the "gas station" emirates, and Israel stronger too. The US now is present to make sure everything that is is supposed to, primarily oil tankers, enters and exits the Persian Gulf without incident. The US also now surrounds Iran with a military presence. Yeah thats I call weakening yourself.

03-14-2007, 05:57 PM	#28
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE=cr726]You wouldn't know a correct and intelligent thought if it hit you in your little wanna HERO nuts. Now I am a kid, that is funny.[/QUOTE] 1) At least I have nuts; 2) and you are no hero. tell me again about zero connections of iraq to wtc1 bombing- i love that story

03-14-2007, 06:33 PM	#29
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,295	I am waiting for your BS connections. I U.S. citizen found in Iraq 10 years later? [QUOTE=flushingjet]1) At least I have nuts; 2) and you are no hero. tell me again about zero connections of iraq to wtc1 bombing- i love that story[/QUOTE]

03-14-2007, 06:45 PM	#30
flushingjet Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE=cr726]I am waiting for your BS connections. I U.S. citizen found in Iraq 10 years later?[/QUOTE] if you cant add 1 + 1 to make 2 thats your problem, not mine

03-14-2007, 07:54 PM	#31
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,640	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]I wasn't against the war, I'm against the outcome.[/QUOTE] Come on, Winston. What "outcome" was possible besides this? Honestly.

03-14-2007, 08:30 PM	#32
Winstonbiggs Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,921	[QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive]Come on, Winston. What "outcome" was possible besides this? Honestly.[/QUOTE] The idea that with a new start, a chance at self government that people would put aside their differences, build a nation and live in peace. WTF was I thinking.

03-14-2007, 08:50 PM	#33
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	[QUOTE=flushingjet] Iraq and Iran cant be enemies of each other and of America at the same time? By taking out Iraq, we automagically made Iran stronger? By that stellar logic we made SA, Kuwait, the "gas station" emirates, and Israel stronger too. .[/QUOTE] Whaaaaat??????????? Iraq and Iran are NOT enemies. They are allies. See the recent sweetheart oil deals they have made. See where Maliki calls Iran "Good , a great neighbor and friend". Now explain again how it is that Iraq can be an ally of Iran (which clearly it is) and still stand with us side by side in the WOT???

03-14-2007, 08:51 PM	#34
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	[QUOTE=flushingjet]if you cant add 1 + 1 to make 2 thats your problem, not mine[/QUOTE] Thats because you are trying to convince everyone that 1+1 = 4. Your argument that the Iraqi govt had a role in the first WTC bombing is simply false. Not one iota of truth behind it.

03-14-2007, 08:57 PM	#35
WestCoastOffensive Lying to the Smithsonian Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,640	[QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]The idea that with a new start, a chance at self government that people would put aside their differences, build a nation and live in peace. WTF was I thinking.[/QUOTE] I recognize that line of thinking as my own. I was probably talking to myself in the above post.

03-14-2007, 09:03 PM	#36
CanadaSteve Liked the draft picks....meat and potatoes. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 6,512	Flushing Jet, I did not know you were at the towers that day. Sorry to hear that, and I wish you the best in recovering from such an ordeal. I have a question, that is sincere: Do you think that because you were there at the towers, your judgement is clouded? I mean, lets say it was me saying this, and you were in my shoes looking at this war. Do you think your opinion would be different, or do you think it would be the same, just less emotional?

03-15-2007, 08:30 AM	#37
King Ryan take a guess Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montville, NJ Posts: 5,473	[QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Flushing Jet, I did not know you were at the towers that day. Sorry to hear that, and I wish you the best in recovering from such an ordeal. I have a question, that is sincere: Do you think that because you were there at the towers, your judgement is clouded? I mean, lets say it was me saying this, and you were in my shoes looking at this war. Do you think your opinion would be different, or do you think it would be the same, just less emotional?[/QUOTE] I could see that Steve... and it definitely doesn't make him a better judge/more informed on this issue like he claims

03-15-2007, 09:30 AM	#38
sect112row36 All Pro Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somerset, NJ Posts: 1,572	[QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Flushing Jet, I did not know you were at the towers that day. Sorry to hear that, and I wish you the best in recovering from such an ordeal. I have a question, that is sincere: Do you think that because you were there at the towers, your judgement is clouded? I mean, lets say it was me saying this, and you were in my shoes looking at this war. Do you think your opinion would be different, or do you think it would be the same, just less emotional?[/QUOTE] The same question could be asked of you...do you think your judgement is not as clear because you werent there?

03-15-2007, 09:45 AM	#39
parafly so why side with anything? All Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,282	[QUOTE=sect112row36]The same question could be asked of you...do you think your judgement is not as clear because you werent there?[/QUOTE] Looking in from the outside usually leads to more objective and less emotional viewpoints and conclusions. JMO

03-15-2007, 12:37 PM	#40
CanadaSteve Liked the draft picks....meat and potatoes. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 6,512	[QUOTE=sect112row36]The same question could be asked of you...do you think your judgement is not as clear because you werent there?[/QUOTE] A very traumatic event like that can skew an opinion...Do you think it is possible that there are some Jewish people to this day that hate all Germans because of the war? Many women suffer from anger and rage towards all men after being raped... I was affected by what happened at 9/11, but NOT to the degree someone who was actually there. I am affected when I hear about some who loses a loved one in a drunk driving accident, but NOT to the degree of the actual family.