The Boras Book on ARod

[JetsPrisoner12]

Don't you find it interesting that A-Rod's magnificent agent always brings up records that will be broken, his statistics and his net worth to a team over the next 10-12 years with TV revenues, fannies in the seats etc yet, with all his bluster, I have never heard him once mention A-Rod's value to help a team win a championship.

[SenorGato]

Originally Posted by JetsPrisoner12

Don't you find it interesting that A-Rod's magnificent agent always brings up records that will be broken, his statistics and his net worth to a team over the next 10-12 years with TV revenues, fannies in the seats etc yet, with all his bluster, I have never heard him once mention A-Rod's value to help a team win a championship.

An AVERAGE year in ARod's career:
.306/.389/.578

44 HRs (!!!)

128 RBIs (!!!!)

23 SB 5 CS

WTF are you talking about? Are you getting your baseball knowledge from the NY Post?

[Tyler Durden]

Dump

[JetsPrisoner12]

Originally Posted by SenorGato

An AVERAGE year in ARod's career:
.306/.389/.578

44 HRs (!!!)

128 RBIs (!!!!)

23 SB 5 CS

WTF are you talking about? Are you getting your baseball knowledge from the NY Post?

Yes he drives big numbers. Yes he is the most gifted baseball player I have ever seen. I know that and he took another step this year getting big hits - during the regular season. I don't go by stats, that's too easy. I go by what I see. I am enamored with ARods ability and I am in favor of re-signing him. I would simply like to hear his agent discuss the merits of ARod bringing a championship to the Yankees or whoever he decides to sign with. As a Yankee fan I want to hear that, not how much money he's going to rake in when he breaks the home run record. Yes I realize this is a business and his agent is trying to drive his price up, up, up however wouldn't you like to see him get a clutch hit off a very, very mediocre pitcher instead of striking out on 3 pitches in game 4? I realize other Yankee hitters did poorly as well however this guy IS easily the most talented player in the game - and thats my opinion - not some stats - which makes it even worse that he strikes out twice on 6 pitches to a mediocre pitcher. He's better than that and he knows it and that's why I'm sick of hearing his agent talk about his stats and value and all that other crap.

[SenorGato]

Originally Posted by JetsPrisoner12

Yes he drives big numbers. Yes he is the most gifted baseball player I have ever seen. I know that and he took another step this year getting big hits - during the regular season. I don't go by stats, that's too easy. I go by what I see. I am enamored with ARods ability and I am in favor of re-signing him. I would simply like to hear his agent discuss the merits of ARod bringing a championship to the Yankees or whoever he decides to sign with. As a Yankee fan I want to hear that, not how much money he's going to rake in when he breaks the home run record. Yes I realize this is a business and his agent is trying to drive his price up, up, up however wouldn't you like to see him get a clutch hit off a very, very mediocre pitcher instead of striking out on 3 pitches in game 4? I realize other Yankee hitters did poorly as well however this guy IS easily the most talented player in the game - and thats my opinion - not some stats - which makes it even worse that he strikes out twice on 6 pitches to a mediocre pitcher. He's better than that and he knows it and that's why I'm sick of hearing his agent talk about his stats and value and all that other crap.

....Your opinion overrides fact? On what planet?

Why wouldn't hit agent talk about his stats and value? WTF makes him different from Neifi Perez or any other baseball player BUT his stats?

His stats tell you what he actually does, your eyes tell you what he's doing at that moment in time.

Why don't the Yankees take some time to evaluate Jeter? Since the last remnants of '96-'00 left WTF has he done?

[Tyler Durden]

Originally Posted by SenorGato

....Your opinion overrides fact? On what planet?

Why wouldn't hit agent talk about his stats and value? WTF makes him different from Neifi Perez or any other baseball player BUT his stats?

His stats tell you what he actually does, your eyes tell you what he's doing at that moment in time.

Why don't the Yankees take some time to evaluate Jeter? Since the last remnants of '96-'00 left WTF has he done?

I agree with you in this thread but again here looms again your hatred for Jeter. Obviously he did awful this year along with everyone else.

I don't feel like writing out all the years, most of them are pretty good.....

here is 2006: 16 AB, .500 AVG, .529 OBP, 4 R, 4 2B, 8 H, 1 HR

[Ven0m]

Originally Posted by Sean Ryan

I agree with you in this thread but again here looms again your hatred for Jeter. Obviously he did awful this year along with everyone else.

I don't feel like writing out all the years, most of them are pretty good.....

here is 2006: 16 AB, .500 AVG, .529 OBP, 4 R, 4 2B, 8 H, 1 HR

Lets be fair, he went 5 for 5 in the game that the Yankees won and 3 for 11 in the 3 games that the Yankees lost in that series.

[Tyler Durden]

Originally Posted by Ven0m

Lets be fair, he went 5 for 5 in the game that the Yankees won and 3 for 11 in the 3 games that the Yankees lost in that series.

Lets be fair, why does that matter? is it fair to take away those 5 at bats?

[Ven0m]

Originally Posted by Sean Ryan

Lets be fair, why does that matter? is it fair to take away those 5 at bats?

No, but he hardly performed great in the games that the Yankees lost that series was simply my point. He was 3 for 11, or hit .272 in those games.

[Tyler Durden]

Originally Posted by Ven0m

No, but he hardly performed great in the games that the Yankees lost that series was simply my point. He was 3 for 11, or hit .272 in those games.

The point is if SenorGato is going to blast people who bash A-Rod for his hitting in big spots in the post season (I totally agree with him in that regards) than why is he doing the exact same thing to Jeter. He wants A-Rod to be judged by the end result... I agree, so should Jeter.

[SenorGato]

Originally Posted by Sean Ryan

I agree with you in this thread but again here looms again your hatred for Jeter. Obviously he did awful this year along with everyone else.

I don't feel like writing out all the years, most of them are pretty good.....

here is 2006: 16 AB, .500 AVG, .529 OBP, 4 R, 4 2B, 8 H, 1 HR

1. Stop thinking I have a vendetta against Jeter. I do this because I know Yankee fans will jump at the opportunity to protect the Captain. You're like the only guy who bites every single time.

2. ARod is judged by the postseason results of the team AND himself. Jeter sucked this year, and hasn't ever taken over a series like ARod has (the Twins in '04 or '05).

3. The Yankees have also not won...even with The God of Clutch and Winning using all his powers to will the team (and ARod) to victory. If ARod must be judged on the Yankees success as a team, then so should the Captain, no?

[Tyler Durden]

Originally Posted by SenorGato

1. Stop thinking I have a vendetta against Jeter. I do this because I know Yankee fans will jump at the opportunity to protect the Captain. You're like the only guy who bites every single time.

2. ARod is judged by the postseason results of the team AND himself. Jeter sucked this year, and hasn't ever taken over a series like ARod has (the Twins in '04 or '05).

3. The Yankees have also not won...even with The God of Clutch and Winning using all his powers to will the team (and ARod) to victory. If ARod must be judged on the Yankees success as a team, then so should the Captain, no?

It is so obvious you have a something against Derek it's pathetic. I'll respond to this in more detail tomorrow or sunday. It's my birthday and I'm getting wasted, later.

[SenorGato]

Originally Posted by Sean Ryan

It is so obvious you have a something against Derek it's pathetic. I'll respond to this in more detail tomorrow or sunday. It's my birthday and I'm getting wasted, later.

Or maybe you're pathetically paranoid about Jeter's reputation?

I make fun of the Jeter fetish of the media because it's easy and its fun....and people like you still seem to translate that as "he thinks Jeter is a bad player."

[JetsPrisoner12]

Originally Posted by SenorGato

....Your opinion overrides fact? On what planet?

His stats tell you what he actually does, your eyes tell you what he's doing at that moment in time.

Why don't the Yankees take some time to evaluate Jeter? Since the last remnants of '96-'00 left WTF has he done?

This comment delivers my point. Championships are won with great pitching and TIMELY hitting. Again, I'm in favor of keeping A-Rod. He took a step this year by delivering in the regular season and I feel he is simply too talented to keep failing in big spots in the playoffs. Bottom line is I hate the agent here and I'm sick of his crap.

BTW - it's not time to evaluate Jeter since he's not a free agent. I will say this, Jeter had a bad series but, the crowd that calls him overrated doesn't know anything about winning baseball.

[SenorGato]

Originally Posted by JetsPrisoner12

This comment delivers my point. Championships are won with great pitching and TIMELY hitting. Again, I'm in favor of keeping A-Rod. He took a step this year by delivering in the regular season and I feel he is simply too talented to keep failing in big spots in the playoffs. Bottom line is I hate the agent here and I'm sick of his crap.

BTW - it's not time to evaluate Jeter since he's not a free agent. I will say this, Jeter had a bad series but, the crowd that calls him overrated doesn't know anything about winning baseball.

WTF is timely hitting?

And how is that the key to winning?

And what in the f*ck is "winning baseball?"

It's funny...in baseball I thought you simply had to outscore you opponent... and ARod helps do that better than anyone in the game not named Bonds.

Why are complicating such a simple sport? What exactly is so not winning about ARod? How is he NOT helping the Yankees win? He's the only reason the Yankees are even in the playoffs.

Whoever argues crap like "ARod doesn't contribute to winning baseball" doesn't know a single thing about baseball. Stop reading Plaschke or listening to Joe Morgan and learn your baseball from somebody who isn't a cliche spewing idiot.

[JeffWeaverFan]

For once I agreed with what Mike Francesca said about why a lot of people hate A-Rod. Just look at his agent. The guy paints him out to be a super human, so when he doesn't get a hit or doesn't hit a HR, you wonder what is going on. A-Rod wants to get paid, and wants to get paid a lot, which is entirely fair for him, but I'd bet he would have a happier, or at least a less stressed, life if he had a different agent.

[neckdemon]

Originally Posted by SenorGato

WTF is timely hitting?

And how is that the key to winning?

And what in the f*ck is "winning baseball?"

It's funny...in baseball I thought you simply had to outscore you opponent...

well let's see....

timely hitting, aka as clutch hitting is defined as hitting with risp, and it doesn't even have to necessarily be a hit, although a hit is preferable, obviously. i.e. a sacrifice fly with a guy at 3rd and less than 2 outs, hitting behind a runner at second with no outs so as to at least get him to third with less than 2 outs, getting a bunt down when needed.........all crucial to a teams success. and a big reason why, imo, striking out is worse than say grouding out.

winning baseball is the opposite of losing baseball.......i really don't see a need for an explanation here

and it's not only baseball in which you have to outscore your opponent, that holds true for just about every sport in the world

[neckdemon]

Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

For once I agreed with what Mike Francesca said about why a lot of people hate A-Rod. Just look at his agent. The guy paints him out to be a super human, so when he doesn't get a hit or doesn't hit a HR, you wonder what is going on. A-Rod wants to get paid, and wants to get paid a lot, which is entirely fair for him, but I'd bet he would have a happier, or at least a less stressed, life if he had a different agent.

another, kinda big reason, why people hate a-rod.....

he's a yankee

i know it's tough for you yankees fans to understand, but alot of people hate the yankees.

[JetsPrisoner12]

Originally Posted by SenorGato

WTF is timely hitting?

And how is that the key to winning?

And what in the f*ck is "winning baseball?"

It's funny...in baseball I thought you simply had to outscore you opponent... and ARod helps do that better than anyone in the game not named Bonds.

Why are complicating such a simple sport? What exactly is so not winning about ARod? How is he NOT helping the Yankees win? He's the only reason the Yankees are even in the playoffs.

Whoever argues crap like "ARod doesn't contribute to winning baseball" doesn't know a single thing about baseball. Stop reading Plaschke or listening to Joe Morgan and learn your baseball from somebody who isn't a cliche spewing idiot.

Sorry if you can't understand this concept and I really don't have the time nor the inclination to explain it. Maybe you should listen to Morgan and McCarver and Girardi sometimes. These are baseball lifers who all won championships and understand what you have to do to win. Or, I could be like you and decide everything on stats for my fantasy team.

[JetsPrisoner12]

Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan

For once I agreed with what Mike Francesca said about why a lot of people hate A-Rod. Just look at his agent. The guy paints him out to be a super human, so when he doesn't get a hit or doesn't hit a HR, you wonder what is going on. A-Rod wants to get paid, and wants to get paid a lot, which is entirely fair for him, but I'd bet he would have a happier, or at least a less stressed, life if he had a different agent.

In retrospect your comment is dead on. I began the tread with a comment on Boras, not a commentary on ARod himself which of course it turned into. It was also fueled by an article in ESPN that made it sound as if Boras created the game of baseball.