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bitonti · 01-23-2008, 07:05 PM

[QUOTE=Jets Voice of Reason;2331853]Can I hold you to that?[/QUOTE]

sure, why not, Ellis seems like a very lucky guy.

by the way it's not like i hate this player, in fact far from it, i just don't see the value in taking him at an elite draft slot.

SMC · 01-23-2008, 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=lageman4ever;2331975]Going to the 4-3 would solve a number of problems:

bad rushing defense -> now we have 2 DT to stop the run

mis-matched players in DRob and Vilma -> now they fit

can't find a 350 lb NT -> don't need one anymore

It makes absolute perfect sense to draft Ellis and convert to the 4-3. But of course stubborn Mangini won't do it . . .[/QUOTE]

The more I think about, the more that it seems like a perfect solution.

A 4-3 DLine of Shaun Ellis, DRob, Sedrick Ellis, and Coleman will be a big & strong line. Shaun Ellis will be the lightest at 285. They'll essentially have 3 300lbers on the DLine. All 4 are really strong, and DRob & Sedrick Ellis are both penetrating DTs, so the "speed" rusher DE is not necessarily needed. Plus, Mosley & Pouha offer good DT depth.

That front 4 will create matchup problems and a LB corp of Harris, Vilma, and Thomas will benefit greatly from it. In the 4-3, the Jets Defense will finally not be undersized.

But like you said, Mangini won't do it.

Jets Voice of Reason · 01-23-2008, 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=SMC;2332152]The more I think about, the more that it seems like a perfect solution.

A 4-3 DLine of Shaun Ellis, DRob, Sedrick Ellis, and Coleman will be a big & strong line. Shaun Ellis will be the lightest at 285. They'll essentially have 3 300lbers on the DLine. All 4 are really strong, and DRob & Sedrick Ellis are both penetrating DTs, so the "speed" rusher DE is not necessarily needed. Plus, Mosley & Pouha offer good DT depth.

That front 4 will create matchup problems and a LB corp of Harris, Vilma, and Thomas will benefit greatly from it. In the 4-3, the Jets Defense will finally not be undersized.

But like you said, Mangini won't do it.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but like you said, it's a moot point. He's not giving up the transition to the 3-4.

JMJ · 01-23-2008, 09:33 PM

[QUOTE=Beerfish;2331883]I still wish the Jets were a 4-3 team, put DRob and this guy together and you'd have a dynamic middle of the defense.[/QUOTE]

Exactly what I've been feeling/saying.

01-23-2008, 07:05 PM	#21
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[QUOTE=Jets Voice of Reason;2331853]Can I hold you to that?[/QUOTE] sure, why not, Ellis seems like a very lucky guy. by the way it's not like i hate this player, in fact far from it, i just don't see the value in taking him at an elite draft slot.

01-23-2008, 08:38 PM	#22
SMC Day-to-day Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 22,032	[QUOTE=lageman4ever;2331975]Going to the 4-3 would solve a number of problems: bad rushing defense -> now we have 2 DT to stop the run mis-matched players in DRob and Vilma -> now they fit can't find a 350 lb NT -> don't need one anymore It makes absolute perfect sense to draft Ellis and convert to the 4-3. But of course stubborn Mangini won't do it . . .[/QUOTE] The more I think about, the more that it seems like a perfect solution. A 4-3 DLine of Shaun Ellis, DRob, Sedrick Ellis, and Coleman will be a big & strong line. Shaun Ellis will be the lightest at 285. They'll essentially have 3 300lbers on the DLine. All 4 are really strong, and DRob & Sedrick Ellis are both penetrating DTs, so the "speed" rusher DE is not necessarily needed. Plus, Mosley & Pouha offer good DT depth. That front 4 will create matchup problems and a LB corp of Harris, Vilma, and Thomas will benefit greatly from it. In the 4-3, the Jets Defense will finally not be undersized. But like you said, Mangini won't do it.

01-23-2008, 08:42 PM	#23
Jets Voice of Reason Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rockland, New York Posts: 5,359	[QUOTE=SMC;2332152]The more I think about, the more that it seems like a perfect solution. A 4-3 DLine of Shaun Ellis, DRob, Sedrick Ellis, and Coleman will be a big & strong line. Shaun Ellis will be the lightest at 285. They'll essentially have 3 300lbers on the DLine. All 4 are really strong, and DRob & Sedrick Ellis are both penetrating DTs, so the "speed" rusher DE is not necessarily needed. Plus, Mosley & Pouha offer good DT depth. That front 4 will create matchup problems and a LB corp of Harris, Vilma, and Thomas will benefit greatly from it. In the 4-3, the Jets Defense will finally not be undersized. But like you said, Mangini won't do it.[/QUOTE] I agree, but like you said, it's a moot point. He's not giving up the transition to the 3-4.

01-23-2008, 09:33 PM	#24
JMJ Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Reality Posts: 10,443	[QUOTE=Beerfish;2331883]I still wish the Jets were a 4-3 team, put DRob and this guy together and you'd have a dynamic middle of the defense.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I've been feeling/saying.