Vets Give McCain a "D" For his abysmal voting record on Veterans Issues - Jets Insider.com Forums

kennyo7 · 10-07-2008, 03:48 PM

[url]http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.pdf[/url]

This is unbelievable. McCain keeps talking up his military experience and how much he cares for veterans. He tells us that "veterans know he will take care of them" . Now the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America show how much they value him by grading him a "D" re his voting record on Veterans Issues.

Obama got a B while Hillary got an A and Dick Durbin an A+!!

This isnt the first time Vets criticized McCain's voting record on veteran issues. The DAV gave him a 20/100 in term of his voting record.

Heres another article by VetVoice showing McCains abysmal voting record when it comes to Veteran Issues

[url]http://vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=D63E5E6B3BC6846188C137AAE5E598D1?diaryId=1973[/url]

chesapeakejet · 10-07-2008, 03:52 PM

Vets are near and dear to my heart. Although I was never one myself, my brother, father, grandfather, great great uncle, etc. were. They give the ultimate sacrifice and should be treated on a pretty high effin pedistal if you ask me.

Thanks for this. It may help decide my vote.

Postseason · 10-07-2008, 04:05 PM

The grading was based on 9 bills.

Mccain was absent for 6 of the bills voted 3/3 on the other three for 3 points out of 11

Obama was absent for 4 of the bills voted 5/5 on the other three for 5 points plus a 2 point bonus they decided to give for being a cosponsor on one particular bill for a total of 7 points out of 11.

I'm not going to take the time to look up how likely either bill was to pass with or without them being present at the ones they missed but I don't think you can draw much of any conclusion from these grades about either candidate.

Section109Row15 · 10-07-2008, 04:08 PM

McCain also floated the idea in the last debate of a spending freeze for everything except veterens benefits and the war. So I don't think his voting record is at issue. What it should tell you though is that Obama would support the veterens as well.

NIGHT STALKER · 10-07-2008, 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7;2793205][url]http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.pdf[/url]

This is unbelievable. McCain keeps talking up his military experience and how much he cares for veterans. He tells us that "veterans know he will take care of them" . Now the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America show how much they value him by grading him a "D" re his voting record on Veterans Issues.

Obama got a B while Hillary got an A and Dick Durbin an A+!!

This isnt the first time Vets criticized McCain's voting record on veteran issues. The DAV gave him a 20/100 in term of his voting record.

Heres another article by VetVoice showing McCains abysmal voting record when it comes to Veteran Issues

[url]http://vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=D63E5E6B3BC6846188C137AAE5E598D1?diaryId=1973[/url][/QUOTE]

That certainly is unbelievable considering most vets polled will be supporting McCain!

Received my latest issue of my VFW magazine yesterday and here's the breakdown...I suggest you visit your local VFW and read a copy...page 8 of the October issue.

"A Gallup Poll revealed that 56% of veterans favor John McCain for President vs. 34%for Barack Obama. Some 47% of vets identify with the Republican Party; 39% with the Democratic Party."

kennyo7 · 10-07-2008, 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=NIGHT STALKER;2793589]That certainly is unbelievable considering most vets polled will be supporting McCain!

Received my latest issue of my VFW magazine yesterday and here's the breakdown...I suggest you visit your local VFW and read a copy...page 8 of the October issue.

"A Gallup Poll revealed that 56% of veterans favor John McCain for President vs. 34%for Barack Obama. Some 47% of vets identify with the Republican Party; 39% with the Democratic Party."[/QUOTE]

This is completely irrelevant. Im sure vets, just like most knowledgeable Americans, dont vote for a candidate based on a single issue. Its not surprising that the poll shows that most vets will vote for McCain since the same polls show that most members of the military tend to vote republican. Most military personell and vets consider there political leanings to be either moderately or heavily conservative. Wow what a shock that they would favor McCain.

Of course that has nothing to do with what i posted. That several Veterans organizations have rated McCain very poorly when it comes to veterans issues. You did not respond to that at all.

NIGHT STALKER · 10-07-2008, 07:35 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7;2793625]This is completely irrelevant. Im sure vets, just like most knowledgeable Americans, dont vote for a candidate based on a single issue. Its not surprising that the poll shows that most vets will vote for McCain since the same polls show that most members of the military tend to vote republican. Most military personell and vets consider there political leanings to be either moderately or heavily conservative. Wow what a shock that they would favor McCain.

Of course that has nothing to do with what i posted. That several Veterans organizations have rated McCain very poorly when it comes to veterans issues. You did not respond to that at all.[/QUOTE]

How do you want me to respond? That I agree with every issue in McCain's favor concerning vets? Well, that's just nuts. Like other vets, I don't agree with McCain 100% on vets issues or national/foreign issues as well...what I was stating was, at the end of the day when vets put all issues on the table, the majority of vets believe in McCain and not Obama.

Roger Vick · 10-07-2008, 08:09 PM

I find it almost impossible to judge any Senator or Congressman solely on his "voting record" because you never know how much pork was tied to each bill that was voted on.

For example, many times you'll hear someone say that "Candidate X voted against tax cuts for the middle class". Then you find out that the bill they voted against included some tax cuts for the middle class, but it also included a huge increase in spending on the latest socialist govenrment-run program. So, yeah, he voted against it.

So, just saying "Candidate X voted against this or in favor of that" is simply misleading bull**** in most cases.

I doubt these "vets" went back and looked at the full content of every bill McCain has voted on.

kennyo7 · 10-07-2008, 10:40 PM

[QUOTE=NIGHT STALKER;2793640]How do you want me to respond? That I agree with every issue in McCain's favor concerning vets? Well, that's just nuts. Like other vets, I don't agree with McCain 100% on vets issues or national/foreign issues as well...what I was stating was, [B]at the end of the day when vets put all issues on the table, the majority of vets believe in McCain and not Obama[/B].[/QUOTE]

Thats great. But thats not the point of this thread. The point is McCain states he is standing with vets on Veteran Issues, but these major veterans groups strongly disagree. They say his track record on veterans issues has been miserable.

kennyo7 · 10-07-2008, 10:41 PM

[QUOTE=Roger Vick;2793699]

I doubt these "vets" went back and looked at the full content of every bill McCain has voted on.[/QUOTE]

Why do you put vets in quotes?

Roger Vick · 10-07-2008, 11:17 PM

[QUOTE=kennyo7;2794167]Why do you put vets in quotes?[/QUOTE]

Because I doubt it was the verterans themselves doing the research.

More than likely it was a group with an agenda formulating the question and presenting McCain's voting record to veterans in a partisan way, then recording their response and publishing this letter grade which uninformed people take at face value.

Why do you ask why I put "vets" in quotation marks? Does it offend you in some way?

kennyo7 · 10-08-2008, 10:57 AM

[QUOTE=Roger Vick;2794271]Because I doubt it was the verterans themselves doing the research.

More than likely it was a group with an agenda formulating the question and presenting McCain's voting record to veterans in a partisan way, then recording their response and publishing this letter grade which uninformed people take at face value.

Why do you ask why I put "vets" in quotation marks? Does it offend you in some way?[/QUOTE]

As a vet, absolutely it offends me. If the report came out favorable for McCain, I doubt you would put vets in quotes. The first report was from the Iraqi and Afghanistan War Veterans, the second was from the DAV. McCains record on veteran issues has also been blasted by the VFW. Does the DAV and VFW have a political agenda??

The fact is you cant believe that there are veterans (even though they are not a majority) who are actually liberal/democrat leaning. Its quite laughable.

HDCentStOhio · 10-08-2008, 11:35 AM

[QUOTE=kennyo7;2794727]
The fact is you cant believe that there are veterans (even though they are not a majority) who are actually liberal/democrat leaning. Its quite laughable.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that is what he is saying. No one denies that there are some liberal veterans. Hell, there are actually some doctors out there who would love to see socialized medicine come to the US.;)

Postseason · 10-08-2008, 01:05 PM

[QUOTE=Postseason;2793252]The grading was based on 9 bills.

Mccain was absent for 6 of the bills voted [B]3/3[/B] on the other three for 3 points out of 11

Obama was absent for 4 of the bills voted [B]5/5[/B] on the other three for 5 points plus a 2 point bonus they decided to give for being a cosponsor on one particular bill for a total of 7 points out of 11.

I'm not going to take the time to look up how likely either bill was to pass with or without them being present at the ones they missed but I don't think you can draw much of any conclusion from these grades about either candidate.[/QUOTE]

(Yes, I know I'm quoting myself.) I think people are missing the point that, when present, [B]BOTH[/B] cadidates voted 100% in favor of the bills this group determined to be pro veteran and [B]BOTH[/B] candidates missed a lot of the votes. These grades tell us [B]nothing[/B].

shuler82 · 10-08-2008, 01:29 PM

[QUOTE=Postseason;2794962](Yes, I know I'm quoting myself.) I think people are missing the point that, when present, [B]BOTH[/B] cadidates voted 100% in favor of the bills this group determined to be pro veteran and [B]BOTH[/B] candidates missed a lot of the votes. These grades tell us [B]nothing[/B].[/QUOTE]

actually, they tell us that despite McCain's claims, Obama equally, if not more, "supports the troops" - which is a line traditional leveled agains Dems.

Postseason · 10-08-2008, 01:41 PM

[QUOTE=shuler82;2794998]actually, they tell us that despite McCain's claims, Obama equally, if not more, "supports the troops" - which is a line traditional leveled agains Dems.[/QUOTE]

Equal yes (based on the bills being looked at) but to say more is IMO pure spin. As far as I'm concerned they both voted 100% in favor of these bills.

shuler82 · 10-08-2008, 06:42 PM

[QUOTE=Postseason;2795018]Equal yes (based on the bills being looked at) but to say more is IMO pure spin. As far as I'm concerned they both voted 100% in favor of these bills.[/QUOTE]

What are your thoughts on cindy mccain attacking obama for not supporting troop funding on a bill that her own husband opposed?

see what i mean?

we all support the troops - but it will never go out of style for repubs to slander dems as if they don't.

10-07-2008, 03:48 PM	#1
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	Vets Give McCain a "D" For his abysmal voting record on Veterans Issues [url]http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.pdf[/url] This is unbelievable. McCain keeps talking up his military experience and how much he cares for veterans. He tells us that "veterans know he will take care of them" . Now the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America show how much they value him by grading him a "D" re his voting record on Veterans Issues. Obama got a B while Hillary got an A and Dick Durbin an A+!! This isnt the first time Vets criticized McCain's voting record on veteran issues. The DAV gave him a 20/100 in term of his voting record. Heres another article by VetVoice showing McCains abysmal voting record when it comes to Veteran Issues [url]http://vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=D63E5E6B3BC6846188C137AAE5E598D1?diaryId=1973[/url]

10-07-2008, 04:08 PM	#4
Section109Row15 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 3,406	McCain also floated the idea in the last debate of a spending freeze for everything except veterens benefits and the war. So I don't think his voting record is at issue. What it should tell you though is that Obama would support the veterens as well. Last edited by Section109Row15; 10-07-2008 at 04:13 PM.

10-07-2008, 03:52 PM	#2
chesapeakejet is a geek who loves football boardgames. Schluberator & Gadfly ® Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 24,503	Vets are near and dear to my heart. Although I was never one myself, my brother, father, grandfather, great great uncle, etc. were. They give the ultimate sacrifice and should be treated on a pretty high effin pedistal if you ask me. Thanks for this. It may help decide my vote.

10-07-2008, 04:05 PM	#3
Postseason Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,087	The grading was based on 9 bills. Mccain was absent for 6 of the bills voted 3/3 on the other three for 3 points out of 11 Obama was absent for 4 of the bills voted 5/5 on the other three for 5 points plus a 2 point bonus they decided to give for being a cosponsor on one particular bill for a total of 7 points out of 11. I'm not going to take the time to look up how likely either bill was to pass with or without them being present at the ones they missed but I don't think you can draw much of any conclusion from these grades about either candidate.

10-07-2008, 07:04 PM	#5
NIGHT STALKER a bandwagon Jets fan since 1963 All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,031	[QUOTE=kennyo7;2793205][url]http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.pdf[/url] This is unbelievable. McCain keeps talking up his military experience and how much he cares for veterans. He tells us that "veterans know he will take care of them" . Now the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America show how much they value him by grading him a "D" re his voting record on Veterans Issues. Obama got a B while Hillary got an A and Dick Durbin an A+!! This isnt the first time Vets criticized McCain's voting record on veteran issues. The DAV gave him a 20/100 in term of his voting record. Heres another article by VetVoice showing McCains abysmal voting record when it comes to Veteran Issues [url]http://vetvoice.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=D63E5E6B3BC6846188C137AAE5E598D1?diaryId=1973[/url][/QUOTE] That certainly is unbelievable considering most vets polled will be supporting McCain! Received my latest issue of my VFW magazine yesterday and here's the breakdown...I suggest you visit your local VFW and read a copy...page 8 of the October issue. "A Gallup Poll revealed that 56% of veterans favor John McCain for President vs. 34%for Barack Obama. Some 47% of vets identify with the Republican Party; 39% with the Democratic Party."

10-07-2008, 07:25 PM	#6
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	[QUOTE=NIGHT STALKER;2793589]That certainly is unbelievable considering most vets polled will be supporting McCain! Received my latest issue of my VFW magazine yesterday and here's the breakdown...I suggest you visit your local VFW and read a copy...page 8 of the October issue. "A Gallup Poll revealed that 56% of veterans favor John McCain for President vs. 34%for Barack Obama. Some 47% of vets identify with the Republican Party; 39% with the Democratic Party."[/QUOTE] This is completely irrelevant. Im sure vets, just like most knowledgeable Americans, dont vote for a candidate based on a single issue. Its not surprising that the poll shows that most vets will vote for McCain since the same polls show that most members of the military tend to vote republican. Most military personell and vets consider there political leanings to be either moderately or heavily conservative. Wow what a shock that they would favor McCain. Of course that has nothing to do with what i posted. That several Veterans organizations have rated McCain very poorly when it comes to veterans issues. You did not respond to that at all.

10-07-2008, 07:35 PM	#7
NIGHT STALKER a bandwagon Jets fan since 1963 All Pro Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,031	[QUOTE=kennyo7;2793625]This is completely irrelevant. Im sure vets, just like most knowledgeable Americans, dont vote for a candidate based on a single issue. Its not surprising that the poll shows that most vets will vote for McCain since the same polls show that most members of the military tend to vote republican. Most military personell and vets consider there political leanings to be either moderately or heavily conservative. Wow what a shock that they would favor McCain. Of course that has nothing to do with what i posted. That several Veterans organizations have rated McCain very poorly when it comes to veterans issues. You did not respond to that at all.[/QUOTE] How do you want me to respond? That I agree with every issue in McCain's favor concerning vets? Well, that's just nuts. Like other vets, I don't agree with McCain 100% on vets issues or national/foreign issues as well...what I was stating was, at the end of the day when vets put all issues on the table, the majority of vets believe in McCain and not Obama.

10-07-2008, 08:09 PM	#8
Roger Vick Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 9,533	I find it almost impossible to judge any Senator or Congressman solely on his "voting record" because you never know how much pork was tied to each bill that was voted on. For example, many times you'll hear someone say that "Candidate X voted against tax cuts for the middle class". Then you find out that the bill they voted against included some tax cuts for the middle class, but it also included a huge increase in spending on the latest socialist govenrment-run program. So, yeah, he voted against it. So, just saying "Candidate X voted against this or in favor of that" is simply misleading bull**** in most cases. I doubt these "vets" went back and looked at the full content of every bill McCain has voted on.

10-07-2008, 10:40 PM	#9
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	[QUOTE=NIGHT STALKER;2793640]How do you want me to respond? That I agree with every issue in McCain's favor concerning vets? Well, that's just nuts. Like other vets, I don't agree with McCain 100% on vets issues or national/foreign issues as well...what I was stating was, [B]at the end of the day when vets put all issues on the table, the majority of vets believe in McCain and not Obama[/B].[/QUOTE] Thats great. But thats not the point of this thread. The point is McCain states he is standing with vets on Veteran Issues, but these major veterans groups strongly disagree. They say his track record on veterans issues has been miserable.

10-07-2008, 10:41 PM	#10
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	[QUOTE=Roger Vick;2793699] I doubt these "vets" went back and looked at the full content of every bill McCain has voted on.[/QUOTE] Why do you put vets in quotes?

10-07-2008, 11:17 PM	#11
Roger Vick Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 9,533	[QUOTE=kennyo7;2794167]Why do you put vets in quotes?[/QUOTE] Because I doubt it was the verterans themselves doing the research. More than likely it was a group with an agenda formulating the question and presenting McCain's voting record to veterans in a partisan way, then recording their response and publishing this letter grade which uninformed people take at face value. Why do you ask why I put "vets" in quotation marks? Does it offend you in some way?

10-08-2008, 10:57 AM	#12
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	[QUOTE=Roger Vick;2794271]Because I doubt it was the verterans themselves doing the research. More than likely it was a group with an agenda formulating the question and presenting McCain's voting record to veterans in a partisan way, then recording their response and publishing this letter grade which uninformed people take at face value. Why do you ask why I put "vets" in quotation marks? Does it offend you in some way?[/QUOTE] As a vet, absolutely it offends me. If the report came out favorable for McCain, I doubt you would put vets in quotes. The first report was from the Iraqi and Afghanistan War Veterans, the second was from the DAV. McCains record on veteran issues has also been blasted by the VFW. Does the DAV and VFW have a political agenda?? The fact is you cant believe that there are veterans (even though they are not a majority) who are actually liberal/democrat leaning. Its quite laughable.

10-08-2008, 11:35 AM	#13
HDCentStOhio longing for the days of Ronald Reagan Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Long Island & Section 337 Posts: 4,859	[QUOTE=kennyo7;2794727] The fact is you cant believe that there are veterans (even though they are not a majority) who are actually liberal/democrat leaning. Its quite laughable.[/QUOTE] I don't think that is what he is saying. No one denies that there are some liberal veterans. Hell, there are actually some doctors out there who would love to see socialized medicine come to the US.;)

10-08-2008, 01:05 PM	#14
Postseason Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,087	[QUOTE=Postseason;2793252]The grading was based on 9 bills. Mccain was absent for 6 of the bills voted [B]3/3[/B] on the other three for 3 points out of 11 Obama was absent for 4 of the bills voted [B]5/5[/B] on the other three for 5 points plus a 2 point bonus they decided to give for being a cosponsor on one particular bill for a total of 7 points out of 11. I'm not going to take the time to look up how likely either bill was to pass with or without them being present at the ones they missed but I don't think you can draw much of any conclusion from these grades about either candidate.[/QUOTE] (Yes, I know I'm quoting myself.) I think people are missing the point that, when present, [B]BOTH[/B] cadidates voted 100% in favor of the bills this group determined to be pro veteran and [B]BOTH[/B] candidates missed a lot of the votes. These grades tell us [B]nothing[/B].

10-08-2008, 01:29 PM	#15
shuler82 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: hoboken Posts: 5,665	[QUOTE=Postseason;2794962](Yes, I know I'm quoting myself.) I think people are missing the point that, when present, [B]BOTH[/B] cadidates voted 100% in favor of the bills this group determined to be pro veteran and [B]BOTH[/B] candidates missed a lot of the votes. These grades tell us [B]nothing[/B].[/QUOTE] actually, they tell us that despite McCain's claims, Obama equally, if not more, "supports the troops" - which is a line traditional leveled agains Dems.

10-08-2008, 01:41 PM	#16
Postseason Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,087	[QUOTE=shuler82;2794998]actually, they tell us that despite McCain's claims, Obama equally, if not more, "supports the troops" - which is a line traditional leveled agains Dems.[/QUOTE] Equal yes (based on the bills being looked at) but to say more is IMO pure spin. As far as I'm concerned they both voted 100% in favor of these bills.

10-08-2008, 06:42 PM	#17
shuler82 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: hoboken Posts: 5,665	[QUOTE=Postseason;2795018]Equal yes (based on the bills being looked at) but to say more is IMO pure spin. As far as I'm concerned they both voted 100% in favor of these bills.[/QUOTE] What are your thoughts on cindy mccain attacking obama for not supporting troop funding on a bill that her own husband opposed? see what i mean? we all support the troops - but it will never go out of style for repubs to slander dems as if they don't.