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JCnflies · 12-22-2008, 03:07 PM

[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;2925707]Ofcourse he would. Our economy is in the f'n toilet thanks to Bush and the GOP and these republicans all they want to talk about is silly garbage about some guy being gay.

Hopefully they can continue in their noble quest to defend Christmas.[/QUOTE]

Our economy is in the tank because of every politician, both parties. But the biggest reason is because Bush is a half breedd liberal con. He spent like a .iberal but taxed like a conservative - and absolutely noone in Congress demanded diffrent because they were all getting their palms greased.

Which leads me to my final point. It's our fault, too, for not being aware/informed/involved enough to vote them out en masse.

PlumberKhan · 12-22-2008, 03:16 PM

[QUOTE=JCnflies;2927231]Our economy is in the tank because of every politician, both parties. But the biggest reason is because Bush is a half breedd liberal con. He spent like a .iberal but taxed like a conservative - and absolutely noone in Congress demanded diffrent because they were all getting their palms greased.

Which leads me to my final point. It's our fault, too, for not being aware/informed/involved enough to vote them out en masse.[/QUOTE]

But the beers, dude. What about the beers I can have with Bush?

cr726 · 12-22-2008, 04:23 PM

Did the gov't go running to Wall Street? Did the gov't go running to the Big 3 or the Airlines?

They all came running wanting help when they are in trouble and are the first to hide every dollar they make overseas.

They socialize loss and privatize gain.

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2925970]What do you want me to say? The sky is blue? What did you think my opinion was going to be?

It’s a gross abuse of power and shows why the Fed doesn’t deserve as much as they do, much less more.[/QUOTE]

BrooklynBound · 12-22-2008, 10:12 PM

[QUOTE=cr726;2927542]Did the gov't go running to Wall Street? Did the gov't go running to the Big 3 or the Airlines?

They all came running wanting help when they are in trouble and are the first to hide every dollar they make overseas.

They socialize loss and privatize gain.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and who allows them to socialize loss? The federal government that can never have enough centralized power.

Lots of people can ask me for money. I don't have to give it to them. What's even worse, I don't have to give other people's money to them.

cr726 · 12-22-2008, 10:42 PM

I forgot only the gov't uses other people's money.

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928270]Yes, and who allows them to socialize loss? The federal government that can never have enough centralized power.

Lots of people can ask me for money. I don't have to give it to them. What's even worse, I don't have to give other people's money to them.[/QUOTE]

BrooklynBound · 12-22-2008, 10:48 PM

[QUOTE=cr726;2928333]I forgot only the gov't uses other people's money.[/QUOTE]

They are one of the biggest - and much more attention should be paid to their abuses of power. It doesn't excuse the government one bit. Over $2 trillion unaccounted for. Sure, they deserve more power.

And I have much more choice over the private sector. Not even close.

cr726 · 12-22-2008, 11:11 PM

The 2 trillion went to the private sector. Power loves power. Paulson didn't forget his boys and they got their money. Pretty simple.
Diversified abuse is sooo much better.

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928351]They are one of the biggest - and much more attention should be paid to their abuses of power. It doesn't excuse the government one bit. Over $2 trillion unaccounted for. Sure, they deserve more power.

And I have much more choice over the private sector. Not even close.[/QUOTE]

BrooklynBound · 12-22-2008, 11:14 PM

[QUOTE=cr726;2928400]The 2 trillion went to the private sector. Power loves power. Paulson didn't forget his boys and they got their money. Pretty simple.
Diversified abuse is sooo much better.[/QUOTE]

Without centralized power, none of this would have been possible. Of course, de-centralized power is better. When abuses occur, they have much less of an impact.

When one man, without checks and balances, can control the entire monetary system, what do you expect will happen? Simply slapping the government label on a group of men does not make them honest or not corrupt. Giving any group of men centralized power without checks and balances is immoral and irresponsible.

cr726 · 12-22-2008, 11:17 PM

Checks and balances.

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928411]Without centralized power, none of this would have been possible. Of course, de-centralized power is better. When abuses occur, they have much less of an impact.

When one man, without checks and balances, can control the entire monetary system, what do you expect will happen? Simply slapping the government label on a group of men does not make them honest or not corrupt. Giving any group of men centralized power without checks and balances is immoral and irresponsible.[/QUOTE]

BrooklynBound · 12-22-2008, 11:19 PM

[QUOTE=cr726;2928416]Checks and balances.[/QUOTE]

You might want to develop that point a little more.

cr726 · 12-22-2008, 11:23 PM

When you bring in Big business people into the gov't this is what you get.

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928417]You might want to develop that point a little more.[/QUOTE]

JCnflies · 12-23-2008, 01:07 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2927278]But the beers, dude. What about the beers I can have with Bush?[/QUOTE]

I don't drink (have no problewm with those who do as long as they don't drive), but the guy I would most like to be at a barbecue with while he drank some beers is Biden.

I don;t like his politics, but he seems like a blast.

BrooklynBound · 12-23-2008, 07:52 AM

[QUOTE=cr726;2928425]When you bring in Big business people into the gov't this is what you get.[/QUOTE]

When the government ALLOWS such corruption by giving them special favors, they obviously need more power. That's the answer.

PlumberKhan · 12-23-2008, 09:10 AM

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928668]When the government [B]ALLOWS[/B] such corruption by giving them special favors, they obviously need more power. That's the answer.[/QUOTE]

Is that kinda like when a girl ALLOWS herself to be raped? :rolleyes:

BrooklynBound · 12-23-2008, 09:17 AM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2928740]Is that kinda like when a girl ALLOWS herself to be raped? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Stop.

PlumberKhan · 12-23-2008, 10:13 AM

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928755]Stop.[/QUOTE]

I cannot. You say that government "allows" itself to be corrupted by big business. This is true. Money can buy you anything. Every person can be bought for a price. That's why big business loves their lobbyists.

I look forward to living in a world reminiscent of Robocop's Detroit.

BrooklynBound · 12-23-2008, 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2928931]I cannot. You say that government "allows" itself to be corrupted by big business. This is true. Money can buy you anything. Every person can be bought for a price. That's why big business loves their lobbyists.

I look forward to living in a world reminiscent of Robocop's Detroit.[/QUOTE]

How is it not true? If politicians are influenced by lobbyists, they are allowing themselves to be corrupted. And that hurts the working man big-time.

PlumberKhan · 12-23-2008, 06:39 PM

[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2930181]How is it not true? If politicians are influenced by lobbyists, they are allowing themselves to be corrupted. And that hurts the working man big-time.[/QUOTE]

Allowing themselves to be corrupted. Exactly. So none of the onus falls on the business...

Hence my rape metaphor. Government is asking for it, being all coy and easily corrupted and stuff...

BrooklynBound · 12-23-2008, 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2930270]Allowing themselves to be corrupted. Exactly. So none of the onus falls on the business...

Hence my rape metaphor. Government is asking for it, being all coy and easily corrupted and stuff...[/QUOTE]

Of course special interest groups are after favors. Never said otherwise. Since we know this occurs, the answer isn't government power, since we know they'll abuse it with their bedfellows.

It's not rape. You can't rape the willing. It's infidelity.

2foolish197 · 12-23-2008, 07:24 PM

[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;2925707]Ofcourse he would. Our economy is in the f'n toilet thanks to Bush and the GOP and these republicans all they want to talk about is silly garbage about some guy being gay.

Hopefully they can continue in their noble quest to defend Christmas.[/QUOTE]the sub-prime loans started this whole thing.you can thank the liberals for this.

12-22-2008, 10:48 PM	#26
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=cr726;2928333]I forgot only the gov't uses other people's money.[/QUOTE] They are one of the biggest - and much more attention should be paid to their abuses of power. It doesn't excuse the government one bit. Over $2 trillion unaccounted for. Sure, they deserve more power. And I have much more choice over the private sector. Not even close. Last edited by BrooklynBound; 12-22-2008 at 10:59 PM.

12-23-2008, 06:39 PM	#38
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,015	[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2930181]How is it not true? If politicians are influenced by lobbyists, they are allowing themselves to be corrupted. And that hurts the working man big-time.[/QUOTE] Allowing themselves to be corrupted. Exactly. So none of the onus falls on the business... Hence my rape metaphor. Government is asking for it, being all coy and easily corrupted and stuff... Last edited by PlumberKhan; 12-23-2008 at 06:43 PM.

12-22-2008, 03:07 PM	#21
JCnflies All Pro Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,709	[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;2925707]Ofcourse he would. Our economy is in the f'n toilet thanks to Bush and the GOP and these republicans all they want to talk about is silly garbage about some guy being gay. Hopefully they can continue in their noble quest to defend Christmas.[/QUOTE] Our economy is in the tank because of every politician, both parties. But the biggest reason is because Bush is a half breedd liberal con. He spent like a .iberal but taxed like a conservative - and absolutely noone in Congress demanded diffrent because they were all getting their palms greased. Which leads me to my final point. It's our fault, too, for not being aware/informed/involved enough to vote them out en masse.

12-22-2008, 03:16 PM	#22
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,015	[QUOTE=JCnflies;2927231]Our economy is in the tank because of every politician, both parties. But the biggest reason is because Bush is a half breedd liberal con. He spent like a .iberal but taxed like a conservative - and absolutely noone in Congress demanded diffrent because they were all getting their palms greased. Which leads me to my final point. It's our fault, too, for not being aware/informed/involved enough to vote them out en masse.[/QUOTE] But the beers, dude. What about the beers I can have with Bush?

12-22-2008, 04:23 PM	#23
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,323	Did the gov't go running to Wall Street? Did the gov't go running to the Big 3 or the Airlines? They all came running wanting help when they are in trouble and are the first to hide every dollar they make overseas. They socialize loss and privatize gain. [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2925970]What do you want me to say? The sky is blue? What did you think my opinion was going to be? It’s a gross abuse of power and shows why the Fed doesn’t deserve as much as they do, much less more.[/QUOTE]

12-22-2008, 10:12 PM	#24
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=cr726;2927542]Did the gov't go running to Wall Street? Did the gov't go running to the Big 3 or the Airlines? They all came running wanting help when they are in trouble and are the first to hide every dollar they make overseas. They socialize loss and privatize gain.[/QUOTE] Yes, and who allows them to socialize loss? The federal government that can never have enough centralized power. Lots of people can ask me for money. I don't have to give it to them. What's even worse, I don't have to give other people's money to them.

12-22-2008, 10:42 PM	#25
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,323	I forgot only the gov't uses other people's money. [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928270]Yes, and who allows them to socialize loss? The federal government that can never have enough centralized power. Lots of people can ask me for money. I don't have to give it to them. What's even worse, I don't have to give other people's money to them.[/QUOTE]

12-22-2008, 11:11 PM	#27
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,323	The 2 trillion went to the private sector. Power loves power. Paulson didn't forget his boys and they got their money. Pretty simple. Diversified abuse is sooo much better. [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928351]They are one of the biggest - and much more attention should be paid to their abuses of power. It doesn't excuse the government one bit. Over $2 trillion unaccounted for. Sure, they deserve more power. And I have much more choice over the private sector. Not even close.[/QUOTE]

12-22-2008, 11:14 PM	#28
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=cr726;2928400]The 2 trillion went to the private sector. Power loves power. Paulson didn't forget his boys and they got their money. Pretty simple. Diversified abuse is sooo much better.[/QUOTE] Without centralized power, none of this would have been possible. Of course, de-centralized power is better. When abuses occur, they have much less of an impact. When one man, without checks and balances, can control the entire monetary system, what do you expect will happen? Simply slapping the government label on a group of men does not make them honest or not corrupt. Giving any group of men centralized power without checks and balances is immoral and irresponsible.

12-22-2008, 11:17 PM	#29
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,323	Checks and balances. [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928411]Without centralized power, none of this would have been possible. Of course, de-centralized power is better. When abuses occur, they have much less of an impact. When one man, without checks and balances, can control the entire monetary system, what do you expect will happen? Simply slapping the government label on a group of men does not make them honest or not corrupt. Giving any group of men centralized power without checks and balances is immoral and irresponsible.[/QUOTE]

12-22-2008, 11:19 PM	#30
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=cr726;2928416]Checks and balances.[/QUOTE] You might want to develop that point a little more.

12-22-2008, 11:23 PM	#31
cr726 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,323	When you bring in Big business people into the gov't this is what you get. [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928417]You might want to develop that point a little more.[/QUOTE]

12-23-2008, 01:07 AM	#32
JCnflies All Pro Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,709	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2927278]But the beers, dude. What about the beers I can have with Bush?[/QUOTE] I don't drink (have no problewm with those who do as long as they don't drive), but the guy I would most like to be at a barbecue with while he drank some beers is Biden. I don;t like his politics, but he seems like a blast.

12-23-2008, 07:52 AM	#33
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=cr726;2928425]When you bring in Big business people into the gov't this is what you get.[/QUOTE] When the government ALLOWS such corruption by giving them special favors, they obviously need more power. That's the answer.

12-23-2008, 09:10 AM	#34
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,015	[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928668]When the government [B]ALLOWS[/B] such corruption by giving them special favors, they obviously need more power. That's the answer.[/QUOTE] Is that kinda like when a girl ALLOWS herself to be raped? :rolleyes:

12-23-2008, 09:17 AM	#35
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2928740]Is that kinda like when a girl ALLOWS herself to be raped? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Stop.

12-23-2008, 10:13 AM	#36
PlumberKhan BRACE YOURSELVES FOR 12... Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 21,015	[QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2928755]Stop.[/QUOTE] I cannot. You say that government "allows" itself to be corrupted by big business. This is true. Money can buy you anything. Every person can be bought for a price. That's why big business loves their lobbyists. I look forward to living in a world reminiscent of Robocop's Detroit.

12-23-2008, 05:58 PM	#37
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2928931]I cannot. You say that government "allows" itself to be corrupted by big business. This is true. Money can buy you anything. Every person can be bought for a price. That's why big business loves their lobbyists. I look forward to living in a world reminiscent of Robocop's Detroit.[/QUOTE] How is it not true? If politicians are influenced by lobbyists, they are allowing themselves to be corrupted. And that hurts the working man big-time.

12-23-2008, 07:16 PM	#39
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	[QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2930270]Allowing themselves to be corrupted. Exactly. So none of the onus falls on the business... Hence my rape metaphor. Government is asking for it, being all coy and easily corrupted and stuff...[/QUOTE] Of course special interest groups are after favors. Never said otherwise. Since we know this occurs, the answer isn't government power, since we know they'll abuse it with their bedfellows. It's not rape. You can't rape the willing. It's infidelity.

12-23-2008, 07:24 PM	#40
2foolish197 i suspect hanky-panky All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 4,528	[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;2925707]Ofcourse he would. Our economy is in the f'n toilet thanks to Bush and the GOP and these republicans all they want to talk about is silly garbage about some guy being gay. Hopefully they can continue in their noble quest to defend Christmas.[/QUOTE]the sub-prime loans started this whole thing.you can thank the liberals for this.