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NEWNYJETS · 01-21-2010, 07:47 PM

Not that it matters now but, he kicked it after the play was over. It was 1st and 10 then he got a 15 yard penalty but they called it 1st and 10 after marking off the 15 yards. I was screaming about this and the dogs went to hide in the bed room. Just watched it again and dont understand the call. Anyone have an answer?

2foolish197 · 01-21-2010, 07:58 PM

maybe cause it wasn't part of the play.

IM3 · 01-21-2010, 07:59 PM

It's a dead ball foul, after the play, so the first down was already had, then you mark off 15 yards from there with a new series of downs

NEWNYJETS · 01-21-2010, 08:08 PM

[QUOTE=IM3;3471253]It's a dead ball foul, after the play, so the first down was already had, then you mark off 15 yards from there with a new series of downs[/QUOTE]

Thanks,

So if it was 2nd down and he came up short the 15 yards would be tacked on and be 3rd down but because it was a 1st down they get a free pass? Not really a question just typing to make myself understand.

Thanks again

IM3 · 01-21-2010, 08:11 PM

[QUOTE=NEWNYJETS;3471270]Thanks,

So if it was 2nd down and he came up short the 15 yards would be tacked on and be 3rd down but because it was a 1st down they get a free pass? Not really a question just typing to make myself understand.

Thanks again[/QUOTE]

Yes that would be the case.

Had the play been overturned and been incomplete it would have been 2nd and 25

It doesn't make sense, but it is what it is. The same way in the Saints-Cards game one team had two penalties on a play and the other had one and they both offset eachother.

GangGreen11269 · 01-21-2010, 08:21 PM

What a stupid move by Jackson. The second I saw that happened I was screaming in the stands for a flag. All of the Chargers fans said no way there's going to be a flag. Sure enough, I was right. That worked out nicely as even though the challenge didn't go our way, they still lost 15.

Chupa · 01-21-2010, 08:38 PM

What about the play earlier in the game where the Charges passed it to Jackson and he ran for a first down but it was called back for a block in the back.

The play was 1st and 12 after the penalty, WTF was up with that?

B-HOW · 01-21-2010, 08:54 PM

[QUOTE=Chupa;3471307]What about the play earlier in the game where the Charges passed it to Jackson and he ran for a first down but it was called back for a block in the back.

The play was 1st and 12 after the penalty, WTF was up with that?[/QUOTE]

Spot foul that happened way past the line of scrimmage. While we are on the subject someone please explain the hands to the face penalty Wright drew on the punt. He was hit right at the line of scrimmage so their was no way it was during the kick. Why is it not enforced like an off sides penalty where the kicking team can take the 5 yards from the line of scrimmage?

sg3 · 01-21-2010, 09:14 PM

holding is accessed from the spot of the foul if it occurs forward of the line of scrimmage. Since this one happened 8 yards downfield the 10 yard penalty made it first and 12

as for hands to the face call, the ref said it occured "during the kick" not "prior to the kick" so the rules on a change of possession are the ones that get applied

B-HOW · 01-21-2010, 11:01 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;3471342]holding is accessed from the spot of the foul if it occurs forward of the line of scrimmage. Since this one happened 8 yards downfield the 10 yard penalty made it first and 12

as for hands to the face call, the ref said it occured "during the kick" not "prior to the kick" so the rules on a change of possession are the ones that get applied[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the reply. That's the thing though. The instant the ball was snapped, Wright tried to release and drew the hands to the face. The ball couldn't have been kicked yet. I'm probably misintereting the rule.

01-21-2010, 07:47 PM	#1
NEWNYJETS Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 472	Jackson kicking the flag Not that it matters now but, he kicked it after the play was over. It was 1st and 10 then he got a 15 yard penalty but they called it 1st and 10 after marking off the 15 yards. I was screaming about this and the dogs went to hide in the bed room. Just watched it again and dont understand the call. Anyone have an answer?

01-21-2010, 07:58 PM	#2
2foolish197 i suspect hanky-panky All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: astoria Posts: 4,532	maybe cause it wasn't part of the play.

01-21-2010, 07:59 PM	#3
IM3 SMH Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,491	It's a dead ball foul, after the play, so the first down was already had, then you mark off 15 yards from there with a new series of downs

01-21-2010, 08:08 PM	#4
NEWNYJETS Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 472	[QUOTE=IM3;3471253]It's a dead ball foul, after the play, so the first down was already had, then you mark off 15 yards from there with a new series of downs[/QUOTE] Thanks, So if it was 2nd down and he came up short the 15 yards would be tacked on and be 3rd down but because it was a 1st down they get a free pass? Not really a question just typing to make myself understand. Thanks again

01-21-2010, 08:11 PM	#5
IM3 SMH Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,491	[QUOTE=NEWNYJETS;3471270]Thanks, So if it was 2nd down and he came up short the 15 yards would be tacked on and be 3rd down but because it was a 1st down they get a free pass? Not really a question just typing to make myself understand. Thanks again[/QUOTE] Yes that would be the case. Had the play been overturned and been incomplete it would have been 2nd and 25 It doesn't make sense, but it is what it is. The same way in the Saints-Cards game one team had two penalties on a play and the other had one and they both offset eachother.

01-21-2010, 08:21 PM	#6
GangGreen11269 All League Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Rumson Posts: 585	What a stupid move by Jackson. The second I saw that happened I was screaming in the stands for a flag. All of the Chargers fans said no way there's going to be a flag. Sure enough, I was right. That worked out nicely as even though the challenge didn't go our way, they still lost 15.

01-21-2010, 08:38 PM	#7
Chupa All League Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,279	What about the play earlier in the game where the Charges passed it to Jackson and he ran for a first down but it was called back for a block in the back. The play was 1st and 12 after the penalty, WTF was up with that?

01-21-2010, 08:54 PM	#8
B-HOW All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 812	[QUOTE=Chupa;3471307]What about the play earlier in the game where the Charges passed it to Jackson and he ran for a first down but it was called back for a block in the back. The play was 1st and 12 after the penalty, WTF was up with that?[/QUOTE] Spot foul that happened way past the line of scrimmage. While we are on the subject someone please explain the hands to the face penalty Wright drew on the punt. He was hit right at the line of scrimmage so their was no way it was during the kick. Why is it not enforced like an off sides penalty where the kicking team can take the 5 yards from the line of scrimmage?

01-21-2010, 09:14 PM	#9
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,408	holding is accessed from the spot of the foul if it occurs forward of the line of scrimmage. Since this one happened 8 yards downfield the 10 yard penalty made it first and 12 as for hands to the face call, the ref said it occured "during the kick" not "prior to the kick" so the rules on a change of possession are the ones that get applied

01-21-2010, 11:01 PM	#10
B-HOW All League Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 812	[QUOTE=sg3;3471342]holding is accessed from the spot of the foul if it occurs forward of the line of scrimmage. Since this one happened 8 yards downfield the 10 yard penalty made it first and 12 as for hands to the face call, the ref said it occured "during the kick" not "prior to the kick" so the rules on a change of possession are the ones that get applied[/QUOTE] Thank you for the reply. That's the thing though. The instant the ball was snapped, Wright tried to release and drew the hands to the face. The ball couldn't have been kicked yet. I'm probably misintereting the rule.