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J-Diddy · 01-21-2010, 08:36 PM

[QUOTE=Vinny Patrollie;3471292]What is hard to understand is how ridiculous a statement it is.

So let's see that list you have of nine QBs in the league right now who have better arms than Manning.[/QUOTE]

1) roethlisberger
2) Cutler
3) Favre
4) Rivers
5) Eli Manning
6) Jamarcus
7) Kerry Collins
8) Kurt Warner
9) McNabb
10) Rodgers
11) Stafford
12) Brady
13) Palmer
14) Flacco
15) Schaub

Vinny Patrollie · 01-21-2010, 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=J-Diddy;3471306]1) [B]roethlisberger[/B]
2) [B]Cutler[/B]
3) [B]Favre[/B]
4) [B]Rivers[/B]
5) [B]Eli Manning[/B]
6) [B]Jamarcus [/B]
7) [B]Kerry Collins[/B]
8) [B]Kurt Warner[/B]
9) [B]McNabb[/B]
10) [B]Rodgers[/B]
11) [B]Stafford[/B]
12) [B]Brady[/B]
13) [B]Palmer[/B]
14) [B]Flacco[/B]
15) [B]Schaub[/B][/QUOTE]

Oh, dude.......[URL=http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4469][IMG]http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/20/281160490921c2b1c98f9cb8914c43db61226fe1.gif[/IMG][/URL]

SteveWfan · 01-21-2010, 08:58 PM

[QUOTE=J-Diddy;3471306]1) roethlisberger
2) Cutler
3) Favre
4) Rivers
5) Eli Manning
6) Jamarcus
7) Kerry Collins
8) Kurt Warner
9) McNabb
10) Rodgers
11) Stafford
12) Brady
13) Palmer
14) Flacco
15) Schaub[/QUOTE]

What are you smoking and where can I get some.....I seen some serious crap thrown out there, but this takes the cake. Cutler....really?

J-Diddy · 01-21-2010, 09:00 PM

[QUOTE=SteveWfan;3471330]What are you smoking and where can I get some.....I seen some serious crap thrown out there, but this takes the cake. Cutler....really?[/QUOTE]

the question was name 9 QB's that have a stronger arm then Payton. Cutler has one of the strongest if not the strongest arm in the NFL.... i would actually like some of whatever u are smoking.

Jack Straw · 01-21-2010, 09:04 PM

[QUOTE=Vinny Patrollie;3471292]What is hard to understand is how ridiculous a statement it is.

So let's see that list you have of nine QBs in the league right now who have better arms than Manning.[/QUOTE]

In no particular order:

Matthew Stafford
Carson Palmer
Byron Russell
Donovan McNabb
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre
Jason Campbell
Jay Cutler
Joe Flacco
Ben Roethlisberger
Josh Freeman

That's eleven, in case you weren't counting.

And to further support my argument, here's a link that you probably won't read, because you likely don't know football all that well. [url]http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6656792/ns/sports-nfl/[/url]

Saying Peyton Manning's arm isn't elite isn't a slight, it's a fact. I already stated he's one of the greatest of all time.

Jack Straw · 01-21-2010, 09:06 PM

[QUOTE=SteveWfan;3471330]What are you smoking and where can I get some.....I seen some serious crap thrown out there, but this takes the cake. Cutler....really?[/QUOTE]

Cutler has the strongest arm in the league. The question is, what are YOU smoking? Don't confuse "strongest arm" with "best quarterback." Cutler's arm is the much stronger than Peyton's. Obviously he's nowhere near Peyton as a quarterback, but we're talking about arm strength.

BRONX JET · 01-21-2010, 09:28 PM

[QUOTE=SteveWfan;3471330]What are you smoking and where can I get some.....I seen some serious crap thrown out there, but this takes the cake. Cutler....really?[/QUOTE]

is your last name Somers?

detectivekimble · 01-21-2010, 09:36 PM

[QUOTE=Jack Straw;3471336]In no particular order:

Matthew Stafford
Carson Palmer
Byron Russell
Donovan McNabb
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre
Jason Campbell
Jay Cutler
Joe Flacco
Ben Roethlisberger
Josh Freeman

That's eleven, in case you weren't counting.

And to further support my argument, here's a link that you probably won't read, because you likely don't know football all that well. [url]http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6656792/ns/sports-nfl/[/url]

Saying Peyton Manning's arm isn't elite isn't a slight, it's a fact. I already stated he's one of the greatest of all time.[/QUOTE]

You're right. He has about an average NFL arm. If CBNY is reading this, he will also tell you that Manning was considered just to have average arm strength when he was coming out of Tennessee. Not sure what these other guys are smoking . . .

I don't think Rivers has a great arm either.

Apache 51 · 01-21-2010, 09:46 PM

Gurney.....

Jack Straw · 01-21-2010, 09:49 PM

[QUOTE=detectivekimble;3471380]You're right. He has about an average NFL arm. If CBNY is reading this, he will also tell you that Manning was considered just to have average arm strength when he was coming out of Tennessee. Not sure what these other guys are smoking . . .

I don't think Rivers has a great arm either.[/QUOTE]

First of all, re-read my post. Please, re-read it, because nowhere did I state that Peyton has an "average" arm. I said his arm is good to very good, just not ELITE.

Philip Rivers' has an average arm, and is a tier below Peyton's. I invite CBNY's opinion to this conversation. I don't think he'd agree with your view on this.

detectivekimble · 01-21-2010, 09:58 PM

[QUOTE=Jack Straw;3471393]First of all, re-read my post. Please, re-read it, because nowhere did I state that Peyton has an "average" arm. I said his arm is good to very good, just not ELITE.

Philip Rivers' has an average arm, and is a tier below Peyton's. I invite CBNY's opinion to this conversation. I don't think he'd agree with your view on this.[/QUOTE]

If he has the 15th or 16th best arm in the NFL, isn't that the definition of average?

Apache 51 · 01-21-2010, 09:59 PM

Everyone over analyzes, he had one good year.....

Jack Straw · 01-21-2010, 10:02 PM

[QUOTE=detectivekimble;3471405]If he has the 15th or 16th best arm in the NFL, isn't that the definition of average?[/QUOTE]

Where do you see 15th or 16th best arm in my post? I was strictly speaking about starting NFL QBs. There are plenty of backups in this league with stronger arms than Peyton. Peyton's arm is in the second Tier of NFL starters...it's good, not ELITE. He's not in the top 25% of NFL starters. It's better than Kurt Warner, not as good Jay Cutler, and probably on par with Drew Brees.

You guys act like arm strength is = d*ck size. Relax. It's the motion in the ocean, not the size of the boat.

detectivekimble · 01-21-2010, 10:07 PM

[QUOTE=Jack Straw;3471415]Where do you see 15th or 16th best arm in my post? I was strictly speaking about starting NFL QBs. Peyton's arm is in the second Tier of NFL starters...it's good, not ELITE. He's not in the top 25% of NFL starters. It's better than Kurt Warner, not as good Jay Cutler, and probably on par with Drew Brees.

You guys act like arm strength is = d*ck size. Relax. It's the motion in the ocean, not the size of the boat.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say you said he had the 15th or 16th best arm. But an earlier post listed 14 or so other arms that were better and I thought that was about right. He has an average NFL arm and I don't say that as a negative.

CBNY has also said that around the league, Manning's arm is considered average. Read here:

[url]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195095&page=4[/url]

So, you're wrong.

John_0515 · 01-21-2010, 10:13 PM

i agree that arm strength means nothing, look at JeMarcus Russell. Can throw 70 yards from his knees, but has a forty something percent completion percentage.

I do disagree that Manning does not have an elite arm. Brady's arm is not stronger than Mannings, as just one example.

VincenzoTestaverde · 01-21-2010, 10:26 PM

Fake the blitz. Manning became a HOF'er based on his audibles. Blitz him half the time and then fake it the other half. Confuse Peyton that's how you beat him.

John_0515 · 01-21-2010, 10:29 PM

[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;3471469]Fake the blitz. Manning became a HOF'er based on his audibles. Blitz him half the time and then fake it the other half. Confuse Peyton that's how you beat him.[/QUOTE]

We can figure this out. I have no doubt Rex is up, with two pizzas and a cheeseburger, watching films trying to figure out how to stop Manning.

VincenzoTestaverde · 01-21-2010, 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=John_0515;3471475]We can figure this out. I have no doubt Rex is up, with two pizzas and a cheeseburger, watching films trying to figure out how to stop Manning.[/QUOTE]

Rex knows what he's doing. Last two weeks he managed to stump Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers. I think the fake blitz and falling into an umbrella when Peyton expects a blitz and man to man will be the key.

FreshBaked 24 7 · 01-21-2010, 10:36 PM

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If Revis can lock down Wayne that shifts th dynamic of this defense. He won't need safety help thus we can either use a safety to cover somebody or blitz.

Vinny Patrollie · 01-21-2010, 11:30 PM

[QUOTE=Jack Straw;3471336]In no particular order:

Matthew Stafford
Carson Palmer
Byron Russell
Donovan McNabb
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre
Jason Campbell
Jay Cutler
Joe Flacco
Ben Roethlisberger
Josh Freeman

That's eleven, in case you weren't counting.

And to further support my argument, here's a link that you probably won't read, because you likely don't know football all that well. [url]http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6656792/ns/sports-nfl/[/url]

Saying Peyton Manning's arm isn't elite isn't a slight, it's a fact. I already stated he's one of the greatest of all time.[/QUOTE]

You said "elite" not "strong". So clearly you know less about English than you do about football.

01-21-2010, 08:36 PM	#41
J-Diddy Jets Rule Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 472	heres my list [QUOTE=Vinny Patrollie;3471292]What is hard to understand is how ridiculous a statement it is. So let's see that list you have of nine QBs in the league right now who have better arms than Manning.[/QUOTE] 1) roethlisberger 2) Cutler 3) Favre 4) Rivers 5) Eli Manning 6) Jamarcus 7) Kerry Collins 8) Kurt Warner 9) McNabb 10) Rodgers 11) Stafford 12) Brady 13) Palmer 14) Flacco 15) Schaub

01-21-2010, 08:40 PM	#42
Vinny Patrollie wicked smaht and onto your tricks Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,894	[QUOTE=J-Diddy;3471306]1) [B]roethlisberger[/B] 2) [B]Cutler[/B] 3) [B]Favre[/B] 4) [B]Rivers[/B] 5) [B]Eli Manning[/B] 6) [B]Jamarcus [/B] 7) [B]Kerry Collins[/B] 8) [B]Kurt Warner[/B] 9) [B]McNabb[/B] 10) [B]Rodgers[/B] 11) [B]Stafford[/B] 12) [B]Brady[/B] 13) [B]Palmer[/B] 14) [B]Flacco[/B] 15) [B]Schaub[/B][/QUOTE] Oh, dude.......[URL=http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4469][IMG]http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/20/281160490921c2b1c98f9cb8914c43db61226fe1.gif[/IMG][/URL] Last edited by Vinny Patrollie; 01-21-2010 at 08:55 PM.

01-21-2010, 09:04 PM	#45
Jack Straw digging a shallow grave Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,141	[QUOTE=Vinny Patrollie;3471292]What is hard to understand is how ridiculous a statement it is. So let's see that list you have of nine QBs in the league right now who have better arms than Manning.[/QUOTE] In no particular order: Matthew Stafford Carson Palmer Byron Russell Donovan McNabb Aaron Rodgers Brett Favre Jason Campbell Jay Cutler Joe Flacco Ben Roethlisberger Josh Freeman That's eleven, in case you weren't counting. And to further support my argument, here's a link that you probably won't read, because you likely don't know football all that well. [url]http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6656792/ns/sports-nfl/[/url] Saying Peyton Manning's arm isn't elite isn't a slight, it's a fact. I already stated he's one of the greatest of all time. Last edited by Jack Straw; 01-21-2010 at 09:09 PM.

01-21-2010, 10:07 PM	#54
detectivekimble Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,996	[QUOTE=Jack Straw;3471415]Where do you see 15th or 16th best arm in my post? I was strictly speaking about starting NFL QBs. Peyton's arm is in the second Tier of NFL starters...it's good, not ELITE. He's not in the top 25% of NFL starters. It's better than Kurt Warner, not as good Jay Cutler, and probably on par with Drew Brees. You guys act like arm strength is = dck size. Relax. It's the motion in the ocean, not the size of the boat.[/QUOTE] I didn't say you said he had the 15th or 16th best arm. But an earlier post listed 14 or so other arms that were better and I thought that was about right. He has an average NFL arm and I don't say that as a negative. CBNY has also said that around the league, Manning's arm is considered average. Read here: [url]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195095&page=4[/url] So, you're wrong. Last edited by detectivekimble; 01-21-2010 at 10:13 PM.*

01-21-2010, 10:36 PM	#59
FreshBaked 24 7 wait...wha? 0_o All League Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Midland Park, NJ Posts: 3,697	[URL="http://www.nfl.com/videos/indianapolis-colts/09000d5d81488fb8"]http://www.nfl.com/videos/indianapolis-colts/09000d5d81488fb8[/URL] If Revis can lock down Wayne that shifts th dynamic of this defense. He won't need safety help thus we can either use a safety to cover somebody or blitz. Last edited by FreshBaked 24 7; 01-21-2010 at 10:40 PM.

01-21-2010, 08:58 PM	#43
SteveWfan a Colts fan. Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 52	[QUOTE=J-Diddy;3471306]1) roethlisberger 2) Cutler 3) Favre 4) Rivers 5) Eli Manning 6) Jamarcus 7) Kerry Collins 8) Kurt Warner 9) McNabb 10) Rodgers 11) Stafford 12) Brady 13) Palmer 14) Flacco 15) Schaub[/QUOTE] What are you smoking and where can I get some.....I seen some serious crap thrown out there, but this takes the cake. Cutler....really?

01-21-2010, 09:00 PM	#44
J-Diddy Jets Rule Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 472	[QUOTE=SteveWfan;3471330]What are you smoking and where can I get some.....I seen some serious crap thrown out there, but this takes the cake. Cutler....really?[/QUOTE] the question was name 9 QB's that have a stronger arm then Payton. Cutler has one of the strongest if not the strongest arm in the NFL.... i would actually like some of whatever u are smoking.

01-21-2010, 09:06 PM	#46
Jack Straw digging a shallow grave Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,141	[QUOTE=SteveWfan;3471330]What are you smoking and where can I get some.....I seen some serious crap thrown out there, but this takes the cake. Cutler....really?[/QUOTE] Cutler has the strongest arm in the league. The question is, what are YOU smoking? Don't confuse "strongest arm" with "best quarterback." Cutler's arm is the much stronger than Peyton's. Obviously he's nowhere near Peyton as a quarterback, but we're talking about arm strength.

01-21-2010, 09:28 PM	#47
BRONX JET Geno chants will start week 1 All League Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Bronx, USA Posts: 3,009	[QUOTE=SteveWfan;3471330]What are you smoking and where can I get some.....I seen some serious crap thrown out there, but this takes the cake. Cutler....really?[/QUOTE] is your last name Somers?

01-21-2010, 09:36 PM	#48
detectivekimble Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,996	[QUOTE=Jack Straw;3471336]In no particular order: Matthew Stafford Carson Palmer Byron Russell Donovan McNabb Aaron Rodgers Brett Favre Jason Campbell Jay Cutler Joe Flacco Ben Roethlisberger Josh Freeman That's eleven, in case you weren't counting. And to further support my argument, here's a link that you probably won't read, because you likely don't know football all that well. [url]http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6656792/ns/sports-nfl/[/url] Saying Peyton Manning's arm isn't elite isn't a slight, it's a fact. I already stated he's one of the greatest of all time.[/QUOTE] You're right. He has about an average NFL arm. If CBNY is reading this, he will also tell you that Manning was considered just to have average arm strength when he was coming out of Tennessee. Not sure what these other guys are smoking . . . I don't think Rivers has a great arm either.

01-21-2010, 09:46 PM	#49
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,642	Gurney.....

01-21-2010, 09:49 PM	#50
Jack Straw digging a shallow grave Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,141	[QUOTE=detectivekimble;3471380]You're right. He has about an average NFL arm. If CBNY is reading this, he will also tell you that Manning was considered just to have average arm strength when he was coming out of Tennessee. Not sure what these other guys are smoking . . . I don't think Rivers has a great arm either.[/QUOTE] First of all, re-read my post. Please, re-read it, because nowhere did I state that Peyton has an "average" arm. I said his arm is good to very good, just not ELITE. Philip Rivers' has an average arm, and is a tier below Peyton's. I invite CBNY's opinion to this conversation. I don't think he'd agree with your view on this.

01-21-2010, 09:58 PM	#51
detectivekimble Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,996	[QUOTE=Jack Straw;3471393]First of all, re-read my post. Please, re-read it, because nowhere did I state that Peyton has an "average" arm. I said his arm is good to very good, just not ELITE. Philip Rivers' has an average arm, and is a tier below Peyton's. I invite CBNY's opinion to this conversation. I don't think he'd agree with your view on this.[/QUOTE] If he has the 15th or 16th best arm in the NFL, isn't that the definition of average?

01-21-2010, 09:59 PM	#52
Apache 51 Let's Kill them all......... Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2009 Location: In Morris Co.,N.J.,at the right end of a Browning 12 gauge Posts: 12,642	Everyone over analyzes, he had one good year.....

01-21-2010, 10:02 PM	#53
Jack Straw digging a shallow grave Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,141	[QUOTE=detectivekimble;3471405]If he has the 15th or 16th best arm in the NFL, isn't that the definition of average?[/QUOTE] Where do you see 15th or 16th best arm in my post? I was strictly speaking about starting NFL QBs. There are plenty of backups in this league with stronger arms than Peyton. Peyton's arm is in the second Tier of NFL starters...it's good, not ELITE. He's not in the top 25% of NFL starters. It's better than Kurt Warner, not as good Jay Cutler, and probably on par with Drew Brees. You guys act like arm strength is = d*ck size. Relax. It's the motion in the ocean, not the size of the boat.

01-21-2010, 10:13 PM	#55
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	i agree that arm strength means nothing, look at JeMarcus Russell. Can throw 70 yards from his knees, but has a forty something percent completion percentage. I do disagree that Manning does not have an elite arm. Brady's arm is not stronger than Mannings, as just one example.

01-21-2010, 10:26 PM	#56
VincenzoTestaverde laughing at the Pledge Against America Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 9,162	Fake the blitz. Manning became a HOF'er based on his audibles. Blitz him half the time and then fake it the other half. Confuse Peyton that's how you beat him.

01-21-2010, 10:29 PM	#57
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	[QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;3471469]Fake the blitz. Manning became a HOF'er based on his audibles. Blitz him half the time and then fake it the other half. Confuse Peyton that's how you beat him.[/QUOTE] We can figure this out. I have no doubt Rex is up, with two pizzas and a cheeseburger, watching films trying to figure out how to stop Manning.

01-21-2010, 10:32 PM	#58
VincenzoTestaverde laughing at the Pledge Against America Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 9,162	[QUOTE=John_0515;3471475]We can figure this out. I have no doubt Rex is up, with two pizzas and a cheeseburger, watching films trying to figure out how to stop Manning.[/QUOTE] Rex knows what he's doing. Last two weeks he managed to stump Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers. I think the fake blitz and falling into an umbrella when Peyton expects a blitz and man to man will be the key.

01-21-2010, 11:30 PM	#60
Vinny Patrollie wicked smaht and onto your tricks Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,894	[QUOTE=Jack Straw;3471336]In no particular order: Matthew Stafford Carson Palmer Byron Russell Donovan McNabb Aaron Rodgers Brett Favre Jason Campbell Jay Cutler Joe Flacco Ben Roethlisberger Josh Freeman That's eleven, in case you weren't counting. And to further support my argument, here's a link that you probably won't read, because you likely don't know football all that well. [url]http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6656792/ns/sports-nfl/[/url] Saying Peyton Manning's arm isn't elite isn't a slight, it's a fact. I already stated he's one of the greatest of all time.[/QUOTE] You said "elite" not "strong". So clearly you know less about English than you do about football.