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One Eye · 03-11-2010, 06:20 AM

[QUOTE=sg3;3521836]seriously ken

If you want to focus on really terrible defensive backs on a team, you need to look closer at your own declining backyard

and mainejet

you need to relax

Cro for Sheppard and Smith for Rhodes taken together is a HUGE upgrade for what was one of the better secondaries in the league already.

not to mention that it is still 5 weeks away from the draft, free agency has just begun and guys like Pool and others are probably on the horizon to make things even better[/QUOTE]

Yes, Patfanken is completely out of his mind. But that would be like me trying to tell you about the Pats. Sure, I have an opinion, but i didn't watch all 20+ games from pre season on.

Patfan talks about Cro's last two years. Well, then what about KR? Kerry Rhodes had the same history. Great 2007, and then goodbye!

And how does losing KR, who had almost no stats that mattered last year, actually hurt us? Did anyone notice a difference when E.Smith started last year? I didn't. And I sure noticed DIggs getting a lot more playing time.

That being said, the JEts, once again, which is why Tanny is the best, have taken care of there most glaring need before the draft. Now they can sit back and really fill out their roster.

That is why no one on this board has any clue who the Jets are taking. IT's b/c they don't have to take anyone.

And, please save me the bs about belli might whiff on one of his 2nd round picks. Look at his recent draft history. YOu'd be lucky if he don't whiff on all of them like he did in 2006 - 2008. (with the exception of Mayo)

One good player in 3 drafts? Hmmmmm.:rolleyes:

ljr@work · 03-11-2010, 07:59 AM

[QUOTE=One Eye;3521853]
That is why no one on this board has any clue who the Jets are taking. IT's b/c they don't have to take anyone.

[/QUOTE]

... BAP at DE,DT,OLB :rockon: ...

l_j_r

Boynton Beach Jets · 03-11-2010, 08:16 AM

[QUOTE=FF2®;3521718]When exactly is the First Week of Free Agency Championship Trophy presented?[/QUOTE]
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jetster · 03-11-2010, 08:29 AM

[QUOTE=Buzzsaw;3521776]^ I didn't say I loved the trade, now did I :rolleyes: It's a moderate risk/potentially big reward move.

Seriously, I'd be worried about your own team, the Pats have done nothing to improve last year's squad, the one that got completely embarrassed in the Wild Card round. At home.

Swung and missed on Peppers. Swung and missed on Boldin.

ONE single acquisition, Marques Murrell. And minus Wes Welker.[/QUOTE]

Fells the TE also left them at the alter. Pats cheap ways are league known. Players will play for less for a championship, Pats won't be playing for a championship again for a long, long, time. By the time all these picks they have learn how to play BBs system Brady will be retired sipping Margaritas with Giselle, while Sanchez & the Jets are kicking them to the bottom of the AFC east where they belong.

crasherino · 03-11-2010, 09:23 AM

[QUOTE=patsfanken;3521822]It was a horrible game no doubt. A game where everything that could go wrong DID, especially in that first quarter when we fell behind 24-0. But if Jet fans are taking one BAD game as an indication of how good or bad a team is, the how good is your defense REALLY, if it was capable of giving up over 30 points in a single half. You can't claim one without the other.

Now I see the Jets defense as being challenging to the Pats regardless who is opposite Revis. But you have as many holes to fill as the Pats (OLB, S, RB, WR) In fact you might have MORE holes to fill than the Pats, but that is for a more detailed discussion at a later date....say closer to the draft.

BTW- we might have swung and missed on Peppers, (and I was outspoken in the fact I didn't think the Pats would pay enough to get, or he'd be worth what he'd get) but we never went after Boldin, and Murrell was a special teams acquisition, or camp fodder, depending on your opinion.[/QUOTE]

There is some out and out love of Cro and the deal, but for the most part, I think most reasonable people here see it for what it is....a decent risk/reward shot, as Buzz described it. If he turns into a total, absolute bust, we lose a 3rd rounder next year. That hurts, as you should be able to turn a 3rd rounder into a decent player >50% of the time, but its definitely worth the chance. He's clearly better than Sheppard and, so often, guys need a change of scenery. The Pats have capitalized on the change of scenery strategy several times (Dillon, Moss, etc.), so I think you are fully familiar with the super-talented player who is disgruntled for whatever reason.

The Jets don't have a real hole at RB. They jettisoned TJ for that exact reason. They need to fill the spot of 3rd string RB, which is probably the easiest thing to do in football, whether its a guy like Ladell Betts (just throwing a name out there) or an UDFA.

We do have a hole at WR. But, at least this year its at #3 WR, not #1. Edwards has a bad case of the dropsies which will hopefully get better, but if he does what he did last year, teams still have to account for him. As a defense, you can't let a guy go free hoping he'll drop the ball. Its no coincidence that the Jets running game improved when he came here. And as far as OLB, we don't really have a need there. We have the two starters plus Westerman and Gholston. We'll leave Gholston out of this discussion (I just had breakfast), but Westerman was a very impressive player last year. He "got" it at a very early stage. The game will only slow down for him.

Overall, like every team, the Jets have some holes to fill, but they are in a pretty good position going into the draft.

Edit: Forgot safety. We have a big hole there. Put me down as someone who did not like the Rhodes trade. At all. I'll withhold judgment on the move to see what we ultimately have at that spot, but in my mind, we created a hole where we didn't have one, similar to what we did with Pete Kendall. At least now we have some time to find a replacement, and hopefully we do.

Mainejet · 03-11-2010, 09:20 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;3521836]mainejet you need to relax[/QUOTE]

Whose not relaxed? I'm just stating facts. Are they not facts?

Is it not the most important offseason in recent memory?

Are we not on the cusp of greatness?

Do you want to win a SB as much as I do?

With all of the above questions to be answered, maybe if Tanny got his panties in a bunch, that would be a good thing?

Yes, there's a lot more offseason to go through. But thus far, this team is decidedly worse than last season already.

I'm hoping for things to turn good...

Mainejet · 03-11-2010, 09:24 PM

[QUOTE=bitonti;3521600]What if I told you Eric Smith started for the Jets at FS last year? Is that something you'd be interested in?[/QUOTE]

What do you think you're telling me something I didn't already know?

I want Eric Smith on my team, I just don't want him as my starter. Not good enough, IMHO...

sg3 · 03-11-2010, 09:24 PM

disagree

cro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sheppard

pool and a 4 and 7>>>>>>>>>>rhodes

the only negative -- a really small one IMO is the loss of a backup running back who will be possibly replaced with better by the end of this week

Mainejet · 03-11-2010, 09:29 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;3522830]disagree

cro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sheppard

pool and a 4 and 7>>>>>>>>>>rhodes

the only negative -- a really small one IMO is the loss of a backup running back who will be possibly replaced with better by the end of this week[/QUOTE]

Cro is better than Sheppard, but that's NOT saying a whole lot.

Pool is nothing more than a band-aid (nothing more than an injury riddled player who we can HOPE will last for us) and lets see what that 4th rounder turns into before we start singing praises...

sg3 · 03-12-2010, 05:58 AM

today before making a single pick

Cro is better than Sheppard

and

Pool and the picks are better than Mr Softie

not to mention that the 7 million we saved on the backup running back position can be put to good use in locking up core players this season

GreenJoe · 03-12-2010, 12:52 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;3523054]today before making a single pick

Cro is better than Sheppard

and

Pool and the picks are better than Mr Softie

not to mention that the 7 million we saved on the backup running back position can be put to good use in locking up core players this season[/QUOTE]

Agreed 100% - great attitude and the truth.

There will probably be another signing or two of note. Then there will be the draft and the camp invites to the diamonds in the rough.

Count on Tannenbaum to make the most of it. We are so lucky to have a GM who is perfectly in sync with his coach and who is aggressive without being foolish.

Still, patience is a virtue. Leon will probably leave, we'll probably get a new signing or two in the next week. People will be angry about the "holes in the roster". No doubt there will be a hole or two by time the draft begins. The only time I'd ever panic is the night before opening day. Like Mr. T says, for the Jets, scouting is a year-round thing. Some people are signed late in training camp too.

kelly · 03-14-2010, 12:17 PM

[QUOTE=sg3;3523054]today before making a single pick

Cro is better than Sheppard

and

Pool and the picks are better than Mr Softie

not to mention that the 7 million we saved on the backup running back position can be put to good use in locking up core players this season[/QUOTE]
exactly.

i hope our fo will be able to continue upgrading our roster & our draft options :rockon:

kelly · 03-16-2010, 08:36 PM

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How will LaDainian Tomlinson fit into the Jets run game? NFL Total Access takes it to the field.

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03-11-2010, 06:20 AM	#21
One Eye RIP 2012 Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 2006 Location: Manalapan, NJ Posts: 2,220	[QUOTE=sg3;3521836]seriously ken If you want to focus on really terrible defensive backs on a team, you need to look closer at your own declining backyard and mainejet you need to relax Cro for Sheppard and Smith for Rhodes taken together is a HUGE upgrade for what was one of the better secondaries in the league already. not to mention that it is still 5 weeks away from the draft, free agency has just begun and guys like Pool and others are probably on the horizon to make things even better[/QUOTE] Yes, Patfanken is completely out of his mind. But that would be like me trying to tell you about the Pats. Sure, I have an opinion, but i didn't watch all 20+ games from pre season on. Patfan talks about Cro's last two years. Well, then what about KR? Kerry Rhodes had the same history. Great 2007, and then goodbye! And how does losing KR, who had almost no stats that mattered last year, actually hurt us? Did anyone notice a difference when E.Smith started last year? I didn't. And I sure noticed DIggs getting a lot more playing time. That being said, the JEts, once again, which is why Tanny is the best, have taken care of there most glaring need before the draft. Now they can sit back and really fill out their roster. That is why no one on this board has any clue who the Jets are taking. IT's b/c they don't have to take anyone. And, please save me the bs about belli might whiff on one of his 2nd round picks. Look at his recent draft history. YOu'd be lucky if he don't whiff on all of them like he did in 2006 - 2008. (with the exception of Mayo) One good player in 3 drafts? Hmmmmm.:rolleyes:

03-11-2010, 07:59 AM	#22
ljr@work All Pro Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,815	[QUOTE=One Eye;3521853] That is why no one on this board has any clue who the Jets are taking. IT's b/c they don't have to take anyone. [/QUOTE] ... BAP at DE,DT,OLB :rockon: ... l_j_r

03-11-2010, 08:16 AM	#23
Boynton Beach Jets Woody Johnson must go!!!! All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boynton Beach, Florida Posts: 6,166	[QUOTE=FF2®;3521718]When exactly is the First Week of Free Agency Championship Trophy presented?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/Misc%2520Art/R%2520and%2520R%2520Games/rrg_youmustbeanidiot.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php%3FviewType%3DR%2520and%2520R%2520Games%26info1%3DBoard%2520Games%26info2%3DR%2520and%2520R%2520Games&usg=__Euqkl9hFKZIILXKoia4c41j342c=&h=324&w=400&sz=42&hl=en&start=369&itbs=1&tbnid=sZT0QV3rjfiUxM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Di%2Btell%2Byou%2Bare%2Ban%2Bidiot%26start%3D357%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1"][IMG]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:sZT0QV3rjfiUxM:http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/Misc%2520Art/R%2520and%2520R%2520Games/rrg_youmustbeanidiot.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

03-11-2010, 08:29 AM	#24
jetster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,924	[QUOTE=Buzzsaw;3521776]^ I didn't say I loved the trade, now did I :rolleyes: It's a moderate risk/potentially big reward move. Seriously, I'd be worried about your own team, the Pats have done nothing to improve last year's squad, the one that got completely embarrassed in the Wild Card round. At home. Swung and missed on Peppers. Swung and missed on Boldin. ONE single acquisition, Marques Murrell. And minus Wes Welker.[/QUOTE] Fells the TE also left them at the alter. Pats cheap ways are league known. Players will play for less for a championship, Pats won't be playing for a championship again for a long, long, time. By the time all these picks they have learn how to play BBs system Brady will be retired sipping Margaritas with Giselle, while Sanchez & the Jets are kicking them to the bottom of the AFC east where they belong.

03-11-2010, 09:23 AM	#25
crasherino Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 16,826	[QUOTE=patsfanken;3521822]It was a horrible game no doubt. A game where everything that could go wrong DID, especially in that first quarter when we fell behind 24-0. But if Jet fans are taking one BAD game as an indication of how good or bad a team is, the how good is your defense REALLY, if it was capable of giving up over 30 points in a single half. You can't claim one without the other. Now I see the Jets defense as being challenging to the Pats regardless who is opposite Revis. But you have as many holes to fill as the Pats (OLB, S, RB, WR) In fact you might have MORE holes to fill than the Pats, but that is for a more detailed discussion at a later date....say closer to the draft. BTW- we might have swung and missed on Peppers, (and I was outspoken in the fact I didn't think the Pats would pay enough to get, or he'd be worth what he'd get) but we never went after Boldin, and Murrell was a special teams acquisition, or camp fodder, depending on your opinion.[/QUOTE] There is some out and out love of Cro and the deal, but for the most part, I think most reasonable people here see it for what it is....a decent risk/reward shot, as Buzz described it. If he turns into a total, absolute bust, we lose a 3rd rounder next year. That hurts, as you should be able to turn a 3rd rounder into a decent player >50% of the time, but its definitely worth the chance. He's clearly better than Sheppard and, so often, guys need a change of scenery. The Pats have capitalized on the change of scenery strategy several times (Dillon, Moss, etc.), so I think you are fully familiar with the super-talented player who is disgruntled for whatever reason. The Jets don't have a real hole at RB. They jettisoned TJ for that exact reason. They need to fill the spot of 3rd string RB, which is probably the easiest thing to do in football, whether its a guy like Ladell Betts (just throwing a name out there) or an UDFA. We do have a hole at WR. But, at least this year its at #3 WR, not #1. Edwards has a bad case of the dropsies which will hopefully get better, but if he does what he did last year, teams still have to account for him. As a defense, you can't let a guy go free hoping he'll drop the ball. Its no coincidence that the Jets running game improved when he came here. And as far as OLB, we don't really have a need there. We have the two starters plus Westerman and Gholston. We'll leave Gholston out of this discussion (I just had breakfast), but Westerman was a very impressive player last year. He "got" it at a very early stage. The game will only slow down for him. Overall, like every team, the Jets have some holes to fill, but they are in a pretty good position going into the draft. Edit: Forgot safety. We have a big hole there. Put me down as someone who did not like the Rhodes trade. At all. I'll withhold judgment on the move to see what we ultimately have at that spot, but in my mind, we created a hole where we didn't have one, similar to what we did with Pete Kendall. At least now we have some time to find a replacement, and hopefully we do.

03-11-2010, 09:20 PM	#26
Mainejet impatiently waiting for the Jets to win the SB Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11,894	[QUOTE=sg3;3521836]mainejet you need to relax[/QUOTE] Whose not relaxed? I'm just stating facts. Are they not facts? Is it not the most important offseason in recent memory? Are we not on the cusp of greatness? Do you want to win a SB as much as I do? With all of the above questions to be answered, maybe if Tanny got his panties in a bunch, that would be a good thing? Yes, there's a lot more offseason to go through. But thus far, this team is decidedly worse than last season already. I'm hoping for things to turn good...

03-11-2010, 09:24 PM	#27
Mainejet impatiently waiting for the Jets to win the SB Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11,894	[QUOTE=bitonti;3521600]What if I told you Eric Smith started for the Jets at FS last year? Is that something you'd be interested in?[/QUOTE] What do you think you're telling me something I didn't already know? I want Eric Smith on my team, I just don't want him as my starter. Not good enough, IMHO...

03-11-2010, 09:24 PM	#28
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,404	disagree cro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sheppard pool and a 4 and 7>>>>>>>>>>rhodes the only negative -- a really small one IMO is the loss of a backup running back who will be possibly replaced with better by the end of this week

03-11-2010, 09:29 PM	#29
Mainejet impatiently waiting for the Jets to win the SB Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11,894	[QUOTE=sg3;3522830]disagree cro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sheppard pool and a 4 and 7>>>>>>>>>>rhodes the only negative -- a really small one IMO is the loss of a backup running back who will be possibly replaced with better by the end of this week[/QUOTE] Cro is better than Sheppard, but that's NOT saying a whole lot. Pool is nothing more than a band-aid (nothing more than an injury riddled player who we can HOPE will last for us) and lets see what that 4th rounder turns into before we start singing praises...

03-12-2010, 05:58 AM	#30
sg3 REX AND THE I-MAN - BACK ON TRACK Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Big Apple, USA Posts: 20,404	today before making a single pick Cro is better than Sheppard and Pool and the picks are better than Mr Softie not to mention that the 7 million we saved on the backup running back position can be put to good use in locking up core players this season

03-12-2010, 12:52 PM	#31
GreenJoe is in search of the Roy Rodgers dining establishment. Rookie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 782	[QUOTE=sg3;3523054]today before making a single pick Cro is better than Sheppard and Pool and the picks are better than Mr Softie not to mention that the 7 million we saved on the backup running back position can be put to good use in locking up core players this season[/QUOTE] Agreed 100% - great attitude and the truth. There will probably be another signing or two of note. Then there will be the draft and the camp invites to the diamonds in the rough. Count on Tannenbaum to make the most of it. We are so lucky to have a GM who is perfectly in sync with his coach and who is aggressive without being foolish. Still, patience is a virtue. Leon will probably leave, we'll probably get a new signing or two in the next week. People will be angry about the "holes in the roster". No doubt there will be a hole or two by time the draft begins. The only time I'd ever panic is the night before opening day. Like Mr. T says, for the Jets, scouting is a year-round thing. Some people are signed late in training camp too.

03-14-2010, 12:17 PM	#32
kelly is dancing w/ the devil ... in the pale moonlite ;) ~ ~ Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dunwoody, ga ! ! Posts: 10,792	[QUOTE=sg3;3523054]today before making a single pick Cro is better than Sheppard and Pool and the picks are better than Mr Softie not to mention that the 7 million we saved on the backup running back position can be put to good use in locking up core players this season[/QUOTE] exactly. i hope our fo will be able to continue upgrading our roster & our draft options :rockon:

03-16-2010, 08:36 PM	#33
kelly is dancing w/ the devil ... in the pale moonlite ;) ~ ~ Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dunwoody, ga ! ! Posts: 10,792	fyi : Jets run game How will LaDainian Tomlinson fit into the Jets run game? NFL Total Access takes it to the field. > [url]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d816fd24a/Jets-run-game[/url]