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SenorGato · 04-10-2010, 01:25 AM

Bryant or Spiller? Traded up,...they fall...w/e.

Bored and curious.

SantanaMoss83 · 04-10-2010, 01:45 AM

That would suck!!! I would be more worried about spiller though. With Welker coming off major knee injury and Moss aging with only 1 yr left on his contract I think long term Revis will negate any significant impact Dez bryant has against the jets.

SenorGato · 04-10-2010, 01:56 AM

Yea, I'm thinking Spiller moreso than Bryant, but I could see them taking Bryant too.

SantanaMoss83 · 04-10-2010, 02:04 AM

Unfortunately all those years of the patriots trading down and trading players for future picks has come upon us. Theyre loaded in this draft to get tons of highly rated players. And even have the ammo to trade up to make a major splash. Now that I think about it, any chance they make a move for Brandon Marshall? seems unlikely and not they're style but that would be a nightmare.

Paradis · 04-10-2010, 05:34 AM

f*ck. Bryant to the Patriots would just be another slap in the face in a long line of slaps.

JetOrange · 04-10-2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SantanaMoss83

Unfortunately all those years of the patriots trading down and trading players for future picks has come upon us. Theyre loaded in this draft to get tons of highly rated players. And even have the ammo to trade up to make a major splash. Now that I think about it, any chance they make a move for Brandon Marshall? seems unlikely and not they're style but that would be a nightmare.

+1
With a first and three second round picks they have a lot of options. I can't remember a draft where the value of a second round pick was so high.
A second and a conditional 4th in 2011 would get it done for Marshall. Two second's and the 21st pick gets them into the top ten and they grab Spiller.
Spiller and Marshall could revitalize Brady and the Pats.

JamesR · 04-10-2010, 07:14 AM

Only thing that doesn't fit with me on a Marshall trade - they guy wants to get paid, big time. Not the Patsies MO, in my book. When they nabbed Moss, he wanted to win a championship, more than getting a big payday, which is why it worked out. (For the Patsies, anyway

).

Flaming Mo · 04-10-2010, 07:33 AM

Who cares... we would then have a better chance at Brandon Graham or Sergio Kindle which would make our defense that more deadly...

intothegreen · 04-10-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JetOrange

+1
With a first and three second round picks they have a lot of options. I can't remember a draft where the value of a second round pick was so high.
A second and a conditional 4th in 2011 would get it done for Marshall. Two second's and the 21st pick gets them into the top ten and they grab Spiller.
Spiller and Marshall could revitalize Brady and the Pats.

Except they still wont be able to stop anyone on D.

TheBostonBengal · 04-10-2010, 10:01 AM

Pats are certainly going to do add some very solid players. Can you imagine if they came away with Brandon Graham in the first and then some combination of guys like Damian Williams, McCourty, Linvale Joseph, Kareem Jackson, or Koa Misi in the second.

While a lot of Jets fans seem to beat their chest that the "future is bright", if anything I think the Jets are in full out "Win Now" mode while the Patriots are young and retooling for the long haul. The Jets certainly have some great young players, but I think management realizes that they cant possibly retain everyone (Revis -12-15 mil per season?, Harris- 8 mil per season?, Mangold- highest paid center in league, Brick -franchise LT money even though in my opinion he is an average LT at best), and Cromartie). The Jets are trying to make a push at a Superbowl before resigning all of these players becomes a real issue (assuming a salary cap is in place) and as a result forfeiting a lot of their draft picks for underachieving malcontents.

Beerfish · 04-10-2010, 10:09 AM

I had the Pats trading up for Spiller in my last mock with trades. I was told 'The Pats NEVER trade up.' They have a whole lot of ammo to trade up pretty well as high as they want.

jets31 · 04-10-2010, 10:30 AM

What makes anyone think that the pats will do anything different then they have in the past?

I dont see them trading up at all. I'm guessing they wont see the value with their first and trade down into the second. Giving them 4 in the second round.

If they are smart they will actually use the 4 seconds to replenish their roster but will most likely trade out with one of them possibly for something next year.

Teams use the same draft strategy year in and year out their is no reason to believe BB will do anything different.

Yankeejet22 · 04-10-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaming Mo

Who cares... we would then have a better chance at Brandon Graham or Sergio Kindle which would make our defense that more deadly...

exactly what I was thinking.

C Mart · 04-10-2010, 12:40 PM

Sirius "Moving the Chains" mock yesterday had the Pats taking Wootton, Kareem Jackson and Sapp in the 2nd...

patman · 04-10-2010, 12:47 PM

I expect the pats to trade back.

I'm thinking Dallas, Rams or Lions might want to move ahead of GB to grab the highest OL left.

SD to move ahead of Philly for the #2 rb

Minny to get the #2 corner.

I would not be surprised to see them go back twice to about pick 35

eaglenj · 04-10-2010, 12:51 PM

I think the Pats move up for spiller....they have very little speed on the entire roster, and need a game breaking player and spiller fits that description. They can find CB, and other Def with their other picks.

bitonti · 04-10-2010, 01:03 PM

Dez Bryant would be like a dirty bomb showing up at Pats HQ. That would be an extremely risky pick and great news for Jets fans.

cj spiller scares me.

SenorGato · 04-10-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

I think the Pats move up for spiller....they have very little speed on the entire roster, and need a game breaking player and spiller fits that description. They can find CB, and other Def with their other picks.

I think so too. I think the WRs have been smoke screens. They have no RB, they have no running game, and Spiller is versatile enough to catch passes too.

Also, expect them to grab an OL or so to help them rebuild their running game. Vollmer looks like a beast, but a RT and RG might also be on their radar.

SenorGato · 04-10-2010, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitonti

Dez Bryant would be like a dirty bomb showing up at Pats HQ. That would be an extremely risky pick and great news for Jets fans.

cj spiller scares me.

Extremely risky? For the Pats? In what way? He's going to invite Pac Man to camp with them? He'll forget his cleats to practice and ruin the order of the whole organization? Yea, OK.

Funnily enough, if he were to fall to 22 it's one pick after another obvious top talent at WR fell in his draft. That guy turned out to be the biggest playmaking WR of all time of course, and I'm not saying Bryant will be there. I'm saying when you peg kids into negative holes while someone is willing to help that kid out of the hole then that someone usually reaps major benefits.

Beerfish · 04-10-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jets31

What makes anyone think that the pats will do anything different then they have in the past?

I dont see them trading up at all. I'm guessing they wont see the value with their first and trade down into the second. Giving them 4 in the second round.

If they are smart they will actually use the 4 seconds to replenish their roster but will most likely trade out with one of them possibly for something next year.

Teams use the same draft strategy year in and year out their is no reason to believe BB will do anything different.

Not if GMs change and if they see huge success by other teams taking a different tact. The NFL is cyclical and changes over time. A lot of teams simply can't ignore what the Jets have done the last few years. Lets face it the Pats draft strat over the last few years has blown big time.

04-10-2010, 01:25 AM	#1
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	What if the Pats landed... Bryant or Spiller? Traded up,...they fall...w/e. Bored and curious.

04-10-2010, 01:45 AM	#2
SantanaMoss83 All League Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 608	That would suck!!! I would be more worried about spiller though. With Welker coming off major knee injury and Moss aging with only 1 yr left on his contract I think long term Revis will negate any significant impact Dez bryant has against the jets.

04-10-2010, 01:56 AM	#3
SenorGato still a little buzzed. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,281	Yea, I'm thinking Spiller moreso than Bryant, but I could see them taking Bryant too.

04-10-2010, 02:04 AM	#4
SantanaMoss83 All League Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 608	Unfortunately all those years of the patriots trading down and trading players for future picks has come upon us. Theyre loaded in this draft to get tons of highly rated players. And even have the ammo to trade up to make a major splash. Now that I think about it, any chance they make a move for Brandon Marshall? seems unlikely and not they're style but that would be a nightmare.

04-10-2010, 05:34 AM	#5
Paradis Is waiting for Ryan Mallet All Pro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the 80s Posts: 7,107	f*ck. Bryant to the Patriots would just be another slap in the face in a long line of slaps.

04-10-2010, 07:14 AM	#7
JamesR All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 4,806	Only thing that doesn't fit with me on a Marshall trade - they guy wants to get paid, big time. Not the Patsies MO, in my book. When they nabbed Moss, he wanted to win a championship, more than getting a big payday, which is why it worked out. (For the Patsies, anyway ).

04-10-2010, 07:33 AM	#8
Flaming Mo All League Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: St. Peter-Ording (Germany) Posts: 4,638	Who cares... we would then have a better chance at Brandon Graham or Sergio Kindle which would make our defense that more deadly...

04-10-2010, 10:01 AM	#10
TheBostonBengal Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 44	Pats are certainly going to do add some very solid players. Can you imagine if they came away with Brandon Graham in the first and then some combination of guys like Damian Williams, McCourty, Linvale Joseph, Kareem Jackson, or Koa Misi in the second. While a lot of Jets fans seem to beat their chest that the "future is bright", if anything I think the Jets are in full out "Win Now" mode while the Patriots are young and retooling for the long haul. The Jets certainly have some great young players, but I think management realizes that they cant possibly retain everyone (Revis -12-15 mil per season?, Harris- 8 mil per season?, Mangold- highest paid center in league, Brick -franchise LT money even though in my opinion he is an average LT at best), and Cromartie). The Jets are trying to make a push at a Superbowl before resigning all of these players becomes a real issue (assuming a salary cap is in place) and as a result forfeiting a lot of their draft picks for underachieving malcontents.

04-10-2010, 10:09 AM	#11
Beerfish Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19,064	I had the Pats trading up for Spiller in my last mock with trades. I was told 'The Pats NEVER trade up.' They have a whole lot of ammo to trade up pretty well as high as they want.

04-10-2010, 10:30 AM	#12
jets31 ready to NARFLE THE GARTHOK! Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,877	What makes anyone think that the pats will do anything different then they have in the past? I dont see them trading up at all. I'm guessing they wont see the value with their first and trade down into the second. Giving them 4 in the second round. If they are smart they will actually use the 4 seconds to replenish their roster but will most likely trade out with one of them possibly for something next year. Teams use the same draft strategy year in and year out their is no reason to believe BB will do anything different.

04-10-2010, 12:40 PM	#14
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,278	Sirius "Moving the Chains" mock yesterday had the Pats taking Wootton, Kareem Jackson and Sapp in the 2nd...

04-10-2010, 12:47 PM	#15
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,152	I expect the pats to trade back. I'm thinking Dallas, Rams or Lions might want to move ahead of GB to grab the highest OL left. SD to move ahead of Philly for the #2 rb Minny to get the #2 corner. I would not be surprised to see them go back twice to about pick 35

04-10-2010, 12:51 PM	#16
eaglenj All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,834	I think the Pats move up for spiller....they have very little speed on the entire roster, and need a game breaking player and spiller fits that description. They can find CB, and other Def with their other picks.

04-10-2010, 01:03 PM	#17
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	Dez Bryant would be like a dirty bomb showing up at Pats HQ. That would be an extremely risky pick and great news for Jets fans. cj spiller scares me.