footballs future has the jets selecting

[jets rooter]

#1-jerry hughes d.e. o.l.b - great choice future all pro
#2-alex carrington d.e. - has all the essentials for a 3-4 defense -will grow under the influence of ryan.

[nyctomjetsfan]

I love both those picks...

That's a great draft for us if it goes down like that...

We get a stud pass rusher who Rex will undoubtedly turn into our Terrell Suggs and a solid DE with a high ceiling...

[King Ryan]

I'd be ok with that

[ubrnostrum]

where do I sign?

[bitonti]

jerry hughes has over 28 career sacks

i'll be impressed if any1 can name a single decent NFL prospect he beat for any of those 28 sacks.

further more if Mike Tannenbaum comes home after 2 days of the draft with a player from Tcu and another from Arkansas St I'll eat my hat.

Maybe he takes 1 mid major... maybe. But not 2. Tanny is all about the football factories... his draft record is plain as day.

[hendu24]

Originally Posted by bitonti

jerry hughes has over 28 career sacks

i'll be impressed if any1 can name a single decent NFL prospect he beat for any of those 28 sacks.

#50 beat Jake Long, don't really see your point..

[bitonti]

Originally Posted by hendu24

#50 beat Jake Long, don't really see your point..

yeah... and it drove his value up to the top 10... are we supposed to discount every top 10 player because of Gholston?

[AceBoy]

Originally Posted by hendu24

#50 beat Jake Long, don't really see your point..

Beat me to it. My point exactly.

[nyctomjetsfan]

Originally Posted by bitonti

jerry hughes has over 28 career sacks

i'll be impressed if any1 can name a single decent NFL prospect he beat for any of those 28 sacks.

further more if Mike Tannenbaum comes home after 2 days of the draft with a player from Tcu and another from Arkansas St I'll eat my hat.

Maybe he takes 1 mid major... maybe. But not 2. Tanny is all about the football factories... his draft record is plain as day.

Instead of focusing on what school he played for try watching some tape of Hughes...

He's for real and may be gone before 29...

[SafetyBlitz]

Originally Posted by bitonti

jerry hughes has over 28 career sacks

i'll be impressed if any1 can name a single decent NFL prospect he beat for any of those 28 sacks.

further more if Mike Tannenbaum comes home after 2 days of the draft with a player from Tcu and another from Arkansas St I'll eat my hat.

Maybe he takes 1 mid major... maybe. But not 2. Tanny is all about the football factories... his draft record is plain as day.

It's good reading your posts because a lot of people get swept away at this point in the process, and I'm not just talking about this thread.

You make a good point on Tannenbaum's draft history.

Personally, I'd be very happy with Jerry Hughes, but like you said, we draft from football factories.

I still think we're trading up for Earl Thomas, but I'm probably the only one who thinks that.

But besides our draft history, what do you think about Hughes as a prospect? the good and the bad

[hendu24]

Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham

You mean like Ohio State?

Take the player based on his talent, not based on what school he went too

which produces dud after dud after dud....

[Buzzsaw]

Anyone worried about Hughes height? I didn't realize that he's just under 6'2". For a 3-4 OLB that is very short, I think of the prototype size to be something like 6'4"/6'5", +270lbs

[Bay Ridge Jet]

Originally Posted by hendu24

which produces dud after dud after dud....

at least we have 2 of the non-duds

[Bay Ridge Jet]

Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

Anyone worried about Hughes height? I didn't realize that he's just under 6'2". For a 3-4 OLB that is very short, I think of the prototype size to be something like 6'4"/6'5", +270lbs

Based on that, you'd want Kindle. I think Graham is only 6'2

[augustiniak]

Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

Anyone worried about Hughes height? I didn't realize that he's just under 6'2". For a 3-4 OLB that is very short, I think of the prototype size to be something like 6'4"/6'5", +270lbs

not at all. you can either get to the qb or you can't. in the end it comes down to the scouts evaluating guys correctly. bryan thomas had a butload of sacks in college and just ain't a sack guy in the pros.

[JetsFanJim]

I'm not a big fan of drafting Hughes. I just can't imagine a scenario where he is the best player available.

Round 1 - Terrence Cody
Round 2 - Jason Worilds
Round 4 - Arthur Jones

That is what I am really hoping to see.

[nyctomjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

Anyone worried about Hughes height? I didn't realize that he's just under 6'2". For a 3-4 OLB that is very short, I think of the prototype size to be something like 6'4"/6'5", +270lbs

Terrell Suggs is 6'2 260

[bitonti]

Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham

And believe me, don't challenge me on this one, cause I'll do the research and list names that will shock you

Just the 1st RDers alone will leave you in awe, you know, guys like Terry Bradshaw, Mean Joe Greene & Jerry Rice

for every exception that did well there are dozens of players who weren't good enough... telling me about Jerry Rice doesn't change the fact that most Mississippi Valley state players are awfull

all of a sudden we hate Ohio State? What about Mangold?

we hate USC? what about Sanchez?

by the way never did I say what I WOULD do... talking about the New York Jets... they have trends and those trends say they love the football factories.

we can ignore the trends and hope for a Hughes/Carrington draft... and that's fine... but it's not likely.

[bitonti]

by the way for me personally I like to see these players from smaller schools go to the senior bowl and dominate. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie is probably the best corner I've seen live and he was coming from tennessee state. I was sold on that guy no problem.

I have a problem when the prospect skips the senior bowl for no apparent reason, which Jerry Hughes did, and especially have a problem when that prospect has no film against anyone decent. I mean his film is against terrible players, even his "big" games he is going against bad players.

so yes a small school or mid major guy can be great but I want to see it with my own eyes, against good competition.

Carrington was at the senior bowl and he was great. So I like him... alot. I'd even like him if they reached for him at 29.

but Can any1 come up with a valid excuse why Jerry Hughes felt he didn't have to go to the Senior Bowl? It's not like he's Chris Long. He has size questions, and comes from an not traditional football factory... mid major off the beaten path program. Odrick and Brandon Graham went there and kicked rear. Hughes felt he was bigger than Graham? bigger than Dan Williams? why would he skip it?

[bitonti]

Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz

But besides our draft history, what do you think about Hughes as a prospect? the good and the bad

good: excellent speed, great production, great in space (dropping into coverage).
bad: only has the edge rush... not alot of pass rush moves. Doesn't have film against quality opposition Probably a liability against the run. Maybe a pass rush specialist 1 down player in this defense.